Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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solarz

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To China's fault, the West knows China wants its respect and they take full advantage of it. You know what's wrong with Confucius? As with many philosophers of the past, the problem with them is that was then. This is now. Confucius never saw anyone but a Chinese in control of Chinese society. It was easy for him to tell everyone respecting authority was paramount for a stable society but he never saw someone not Chinese in higher authority. The West has more power and money and are of higher authority that even Beijing recognizes hence why having their respect is important to them. What happened in Hong Kong is very Confucius of them. It's just they don't recognize Beijing as their authority. They recognize the West as a higher authority. They're doing what Confucius demands not what an ideal Westerner is suppose to stand for. They don't know what democracy means. They attack people for not agreeing with them because that's what the West, their authority, wants to see happen to those that are not loyal to them. This may not be what Confucius had in mind because he lived in the past and it sometimes clashes with the realities of today. What's wrong with China is they want respect from their enemy. Respect is worthless especially from an enemy that does not seek anything good for you. China would be much further ahead today if they didn't value wanting the West's respect. They don't deserve China's respect. They don't even follow what they claim to believe in. See even Hong Kongers align themselves with the more authoritarian right-wing of the West and not with democratic principles when it comes down to it. It has nothing to do with democracy and human rights.
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Confucius was interested in teaching people how to live a moral life. He was interested in teaching rulers how to treat their subjects. He was not interested in which State won what war.

Legalism was the philosophy that allowed the State of Qin to become a powerhouse. When Qin fell, the Han dynasty drove legalism underground and started promoting Confucianism again, but with a twist. By then, most of the Confucian texts had be destroyed in Qin Shihuang's purge, so much so that most people couldn't even read what few remained of the original Confucian texts. Therefore, a lot of Han scholars were reinterpreting Confucian teachings, and obviously reinterpreting them to suit the ruling dynasty's purposes.

This reinterpreted and repurposed Confucianism is what got passed down to later dynasties. Confucianism is about social harmony, not real politicks.
 
AssassinsMace

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solarz said:
Confucius was interested in teaching people how to live a moral life. He was interested in teaching rulers how to treat their subjects. He was not interested in which State won what war.

Legalism was the philosophy that allowed the State of Qin to become a powerhouse. When Qin fell, the Han dynasty drove legalism underground and started promoting Confucianism again, but with a twist. By then, most of the Confucian texts had be destroyed in Qin Shihuang's purge, so much so that most people couldn't even read what few remained of the original Confucian texts. Therefore, a lot of Han scholars were reinterpreting Confucian teachings, and obviously reinterpreting them to suit the ruling dynasty's purposes.

This reinterpreted and repurposed Confucianism is what got passed down to later dynasties. Confucianism is about social harmony, not real politicks.
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It really doesn't have to do with political philosophy. It's the demand to respect authority in order to maintain a stable society. It may not be Confucius. It could somewhere down the line where it was twisted. I know Chinese that demand respecting authority is paramount no matter what. I know Asians that are of low character and they're they ones most offended when younger Asians don't respect their authority.
 
siegecrossbow

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I find it fascinating that no one is talking about the real reason for Sherman’s visits (hint, it starts with a B and ends with a T). It almost verges on self-censorship at this point. The US state department isn’t saying it. The Chinese government isn’t saying it. Neither the liberal nor conservative media is saying it. The Chinese media, not even tabloids like Global Times, is saying it. Heck, not even the Indian media is saying it.

I wonder how long everyone will ignore the 7 trillion dollar elephant in the room before some steps out and screams—

Apres Moi, Le Deluge.
 
LawLeadsToPeace

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siegecrossbow said:
I find it fascinating that no one is talking about the real reason for Sherman’s visits (hint, it starts with a B and ends with a T). It almost verges on self-censorship at this point. The US state department isn’t saying it. The Chinese government isn’t saying it. Neither the liberal nor conservative media is saying it. The Chinese media, not even tabloids like Global Times, is saying it. Heck, not even the Indian media is saying it.

I wonder how long everyone will ignore the 7 trillion dollar elephant in the room before some steps out and screams—

Apres Moi, Le Deluge.
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I genuinely have no idea what you are talking about. Are you referring to "Bad Harvest"?
 
LawLeadsToPeace

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siegecrossbow said:
No I’m talking about QE bailout.
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Ah I know what you are talking about, and yeah I agree with that. I'm pretty surprised that neither side's media, particularly the Chinese side, didn't mention it. Plus, knowing Americans, they most certainly talked about it with the Chinese. My guess is that the US side tried to talk about it, but the Chinese told them such an issue is not related to the Foreign Ministry, If the Chinese were to have promised to save the US economically, the US would have reported it already.
 
DarkStar

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siegecrossbow said:
I find it fascinating that no one is talking about the real reason for Sherman’s visits (hint, it starts with a B and ends with a T). It almost verges on self-censorship at this point. The US state department isn’t saying it. The Chinese government isn’t saying it. Neither the liberal nor conservative media is saying it. The Chinese media, not even tabloids like Global Times, is saying it. Heck, not even the Indian media is saying it.

I wonder how long everyone will ignore the 7 trillion dollar elephant in the room before some steps out and screams—

Apres Moi, Le Deluge.
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What can the US really do if China refuses?
The US thanks to Trump has fired all of its cannons, shot its shot; there's nothing it can do short of war and hence nuclear apocalypse that it can really do.

All China has to do is sit back, wait for its tech to develop full self sufficiency by the next few years, wait for the digital yuan to supplant the use of USD worldwide and the US will be weak enough to truly learn and understand how to behave towards other nations.
 
daifo

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Ah I know what you are talking about, and yeah I agree with that. I'm pretty surprised that neither side's media, particularly the Chinese side, didn't mention it. Plus, knowing Americans, they most certainly talked about it with the Chinese. My guess is that the US side tried to talk about it, but the Chinese told them such an issue is not related to the Foreign Ministry, If the Chinese were to have promised to save the US economically, the US would have reported it already.
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Maybe the US needs a face saving way to remove the tarrifs to tame inflation?
 
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