Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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solarz

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Tbf the cable is a little over a decade old and what it describes is fairly accurate having witnessed what Xi has done on the party and anti-corruption front... all be it the report was obviously written with anglo-colored glasses. Still a fascinating read.

What I was trying to put aside the narrative HybridHypothesis said about Xi not being an original thinker... but rather that he is a man of motivation, conviction, and ambitions to modernize the country whilst improving the lives of the Chinese people.

You know, that strikes me as rather after the fact, since Xi was already in a position of power, it's easy to say he's this calculating ambitious person.

All this focus on Xi just shows that the US is unwilling to come to terms with the fact that their political system is failing. Instead of recognizing the new reality, the US is choosing to believe that China is just another backwater nation and Xi is some two-bit dictator, and that they can use the same tactics they used in Syria and Ukraine on China.

Far be it for me to disabuse them of this notion. Let them waste their energy in such vain endeavors.
 

hkbc

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Biden and Obama before him have both sought Asian alliances, 'the Quad' and TPP respectively, as the vehicle to contain China. The TPP was still born because Trump hated all things Obama and pulled out before signing, 4 years later the protectionist political climate in the US just won't allow them to even countenance thinking about re-joining, furthermore, the ASEAN sponsored RCEP makes the whole TPP concept as a containment vehicle moot.

The Quad is fractured before it even got off the ground.

India which is supposed to add the human heft to counterbalance China is in dis-array the economy tanked last year and looks like it will do so again this year, Modi's farming reforms may well cause even more instability than covid and the dreams of eating China's lunch by grabbing FDI destined there is in tatters. If things continue on the present downward trajectory It could take a decade for India to recover.

Jury is out on how long Rupert Murdoch can prop up Morrison as Chinese money leaves and the shutters go up on imports from Australia, how long before ordinary Aussies start to worry about their pocketbooks and wonder whether this is the right direction to head. Cancelling BRI contracts will only exacerbate the money situation and turning Darwin into an armed American camp instead of a commercial port will only benefit the local bars and brothel owners. Like the H&M situation, I think Australia is set to become the poster boy for what happens when you bite the hand that's feeding you. Diplomatic spats with India causes further cracks in the Quad.

As for Japan, as the largest holder of US debt now, the BoJ must be concerned with Biden's money presses doing over time, exchanging t-bills by buying weapons will only go so far and if China continues to decline to participate in the US Treasury debt auctions the pressure will be on Japan to step up and take the slack. The move to de-dollarization could mean its left holding increasingly worthless US debt especially if China declines to accept dollar payments from Japan.

With the Indo-Pacific (Asia) not fertile ground to plough where's Biden State Department going to go next? Cozy up to Europe? Scaring eastern Europe using the Russian spectre won't really work with China! Try to leverage Latin America with more regime change? Hold its nose trying to play nice with 'shit hole' countries in Africa?

As in a game of Go, the game can reverse quite quickly with one wrong move!
 

ansy1968

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@hkbc bro regarding your statement below,

As for Japan, as the largest holder of US debt now, the BoJ must be concerned with Biden's money presses doing over time, exchanging t-bills by buying weapons will only go so far and if China continues to decline to participate in the US Treasury debt auctions the pressure will be on Japan to step up and take the slack. The move to de-dollarization could mean its left holding increasingly worthless US debt especially if China declines to accept dollar payments from Japan.

Bro you hit the nail in the head, Japan , Saudi Arabia and the Gulf state are require to support the Dollar, its the condition for the Military protection the US provide, the US is a Mafia outfit and they need to collect payment for that privilege. Now why did Japan ratify RCEP, the first after China, the hedging had begun, they will pay lip service and may purchase some T-bills but they begun reorienting its economy towards the Pacific region. China is just too big to ignore.
 

horse

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Yeah, agree completely.

Who knows what they are doing.

That is why I suspect China sometimes never makes a move, because the American moves were so inane and never having a chance, have to be cautious to be sure that move is real in that it is not just some trick.

All China can do is continue with the same plans. BRI, RCEP, China 2025, etc.
 

j17wang

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LOL, why don't we do regime change in the american regions first. Pretty sure the natives want their land back. Anybody that disagrees should just shut the fuck up because their opinions don't matter. A thief is a thief irrespective of what bystanders say. Native land is native land, and any trespassers may and should be disposed of with extreme prejudice.
 

B.I.B.

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LOL, why don't we do regime change in the american regions first. Pretty sure the natives want their land back. Anybody that disagrees should just shut the fuck up because their opinions don't matter. A thief is a thief irrespective of what bystanders say. Native land is native land, and any trespassers may and should be disposed of with extreme prejudice.
Regime change as like S Africa where the indigenous people define the govt ain't gonna happen in the Americas or Australia in yours or your children lifetime. It could be possible in NZ though.
 

j17wang

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Regime change as like S Africa where the indigenous people define the govt ain't gonna happen in the Americas or Australia in yours or your children lifetime. It could be possible in NZ though.
Depends if certain righteous nations are willing to supply a few bombs (of a certain type) or if they fell off the "back of a truck". Certain states in the US (i.e. NM, Dakotas...) are expected to become aboriginal majority within the next 50 years. They will want what is rightfully theirs back.
 
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