Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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bajingan said:
China should abandon non interference in other countries internal affairs policy if a hostile power constantly inferering in China's

China can do enormous damage to the us and it should start by formenting already severe social unrests and health care crisis inside the us
This can be done by reversing the ban on exporting fentanyl and opioid into the us and stop cooperating with america on stopping fentanyl and opioid smuggling

2018 data shows that every day, 128 people in the america die after overdosing on opioids. The misuse of and addiction to opioids—including prescription pain relievers, heroin, and synthetic opioids such as fentanyl— is set to get worse when more people become unemployed due to economic crisis and thus become depressed
China can make that crisis a lot worse by flooding the us with synthetic fentanyl or other highly addictive drugs

Other things that China can do is to publicy condemn america everytime a police officer kills unarmed afro american, expose america double standard, support blm movements politically even financially

Many things China can do to inflict massive damage to the us if it really wants to
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Why bother? US is screwing itself pretty well just on its own. Sure China can publicly condemn US atrocities, but supporting opioid trade, even covertly, is a good way to get yourself screwed over. Addiction has no borders. If there are people making opioids in China, then you can be sure there are people consuming them in China.

Don't play with fire and you won't get burned.
 
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solarz said:
Why bother? US is screwing itself pretty well just on its own. Sure China can publicly condemn US atrocities, but supporting opioid trade, even covertly, is a good way to get yourself screwed over. Addiction has no borders. If there are people making opioids in China, then you can be sure there are people consuming them in China.

Don't play with fire and you won't get burned.
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Maybe CCP don't need to overtly smuggle drugs to the us, just stop cooperating with the us in this matter
China cooperation on fentanyl trade was supposed to be part of trump trade deal, and China has so far delivered on the issue, back in 2018 China punished 3 big guns in fentanyl trade to life in prison
Now that trump gone, but the tariffs is unlikely to be removed, and huawei chip bans won't be lifted either, why should China then keep its end of the bargain?
Fentanyl matters a lot in us politics because it could be politically devastating among suburban housewives in swing states if fentanyl-related deaths are blamed on political inaction on the issue according to american enterprise institute.
biden talks a lot about cooperating with China if its serves us interests, but it looks like the cooperation will only be one sided, its unlikely that the us will cooperate with China on issues matters to Chinese interests
 
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bajingan said:
Maybe CCP don't need to overtly smuggle drugs to the us, just stop cooperating with the us in this matter
China cooperation on fentanyl trade was supposed to be part of trump trade deal, and China has so far delivered on the issue, back in 2018 China punished 3 big guns in fentanyl trade to life in prison
Now that trump gone, but the tariffs is unlikely to be removed, and huawei chip bans won't be lifted either, why should China then keep its end of the bargain?
Fentanyl matters a lot in us politics because it could be politically devastating among suburban housewives in swing states if fentanyl-related deaths are blamed on political inaction on the issue according to american enterprise institute.
biden talks a lot about cooperating with China if its serves us interests, but it looks like the cooperation will only be one sided, its unlikely that the us will cooperate with China on issues matters to Chinese interests
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China needs to crack down on fentanyl, or any other drug trade, regardless. They put it in the Trump deal because it's something they want to do anyway.

Like I said, the US is steadily crumbling on its own, there's no need to accelerate the collapse, as that will have unforeseeable ramifications that might very well be detrimental to China.

What China needs to do is work on managing the American collapse (pre-COVID, I would have used the term "decline" instead, but now I think "collapse" is more appropriate), so that damage to Chinese interests are minimized.

Just be patient. Events are already happening way faster than any of us would have predicted two years ago.
 
j17wang

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However bad Biden is, the other side is worse. Here Biden is trying to explain a cultural difference between the US and China. Look at how this guy "Mark Dice" frames it.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1361894604400828417
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I expect nothing less from the superpredator that murdered 100 million aboriginals in order to create thier empire. Like discussed previously, not even genghis khan or nazi germany achieved as much as Amerikkka ever did.
 
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solarz said:
Why bother? US is screwing itself pretty well just on its own. Sure China can publicly condemn US atrocities, but supporting opioid trade, even covertly, is a good way to get yourself screwed over. Addiction has no borders. If there are people making opioids in China, then you can be sure there are people consuming them in China.

Don't play with fire and you won't get burned.
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there are other levers to be played other than opiod trade, even though that is what the west forced on china 100 years ago. The benefits of indigenizing chinese technology are actually two fold, one to enhance your capabilities, but also to enhance capabilities of your allies. Fully indigenized technology stacks from China will allow Iran, Venezuela, Russia, Turkey, Pakistan to more effectively resist American influence as well, as chokehold technologies china is experiencing are the same ones experienced by the other countries. Perhaps it will also allow those countries to push back more forcefully against the US. China also needs to build capabilities with its alliances, just like the US. Attack where they are not defending.
 
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j17wang said:
there are other levers to be played other than opiod trade, even though that is what the west forced on china 100 years ago. The benefits of indigenizing chinese technology are actually two fold, one to enhance your capabilities, but also to enhance capabilities of your allies. Fully indigenized technology stacks from China will allow Iran, Venezuela, Russia, Turkey, Pakistan to more effectively resist American influence as well, as chokehold technologies china is experiencing are the same ones experienced by the other countries. Perhaps it will also allow those countries to push back more forcefully against the US. China also needs to build capabilities with its alliances, just like the US. Attack where they are not defending.
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Yes agreed. It's better to put one's efforts toward constructive endeavors than to engage in destructive behavior.

Everything that's happening in the US right now is the natural consequence of them spending 20 years on war. Their infrastructures are crumbling because money is going to the MIC, their people are uneducated and brainwashed, because that's the only way you can keep them supporting those wars, and their political system is such a mess because they've created a society where their people constantly need someone to blame for their misfortunes.
 
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There was another article I read where Macron says he's not for an anti-China alliance. Boris Johnson told Angela Merkel to "mute it" when she was talking. Boris also apparently has dropped the idea of expanding the G-7 into the D-10 of democracies. And just imagine how before this all the talk was the West was in-sync in ganging up against China.
 
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Great article by middleeasteye the author explained how america foreign policy still stuck in 1945
where the us is undisputed power and can dicates everything and how majority of americans believe that the greatest threat comes from internal not external (when a nation believes that its greatest threats is its fellow citizens, it days are numbered)
It also explained the longer telegram strategy is doomed to failure since none of us allies willing to risk it all against both China and russia
 
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