Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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caudaceus

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If Biden wins, i think he will be more aggressive towards russia than China, democrats have an axe to grind against russia (due election interference etc) they still seems to think that there was no way hillary would have lost if not because of putin
Which in turns will make russia even more aligned to China, which is great news having russia as an ally will help to neutralize the asian nato forming against China
As long as South China Sea issue is resolved there won't be asian nato, at least from South East Asia. Flournoy's league of democracy won't attract ASEAN based on the ideology per se. I mean, consider that we have single party states, military juntas and theocracy in ASEAN and nobody gives a a shit.
 

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For China it doesn't matter if its Biden or Trump that wins the election. Under Biden the retoric on China may change but not the underlying policies. Trump is a wolf but Biden is a fox. They both want the same thing (ie maintain American primacy in the world by hook or by crook) but they are trying to do it in a different way. The fundamental change in the way the west views China is that greed has turned to fear. When they looked at China in the past they see the potential money and profits they can make. But now when they look at China they see a power that could potentially upend the entire post WWII liberal world order. I can only see China western relations worsen in the coming years. Its not about what China does but what it is. A rival power that can potentially knock them off of their purch. And its not even about China its about power. If another country was in the same position as China is in now the response would have been the same. Just look at Japan in the 1980's.

My advice to China leadership is that Atleast Republicans are honest about how they are barbarian, savage, assholes who do regime changes around the world. They don't even pretend anymore, they embrace being a mafia boss of the world anymore, see Pompeo's sloppy propaganda.

But with the Democrats, they pretend they are your friend, and plot conniving ways of "Gathering allies" to stab you in the back. All the while pretending they are your friend.

China should operate under assumption the US-China Tech War never ended, even if Biden removes tariffs and restores economic relations. China should continue the siege mentality and push to become the most dominant semiconductor nation on earth and never let any foreign power hold our technology sector hostage ever again!
 
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caudaceus

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My advice to China leadership is that Atleast Republicans are honest about how they are barbarian, savage, assholes who do regime changes around the world. They don't even pretend they are a mafia boss of the world anymore, see Pompeo's sloppy propaganda.

But with the Democrats, they pretend they are your friend, and plot conniving ways of "Gathering allies" to stab you in the back. All the while pretending they are your friend.

China should operate under assumption the US-China Tech War never ended, even if Biden removes tariffs and restores economic relations. China should continue the siege mentality and push to become the most dominant semiconductor nation on earth and never let any foreign power hold our technology sector hostage ever again!
One of my contempt for Republicas js that their think tank and middle/low level officers in the Govs are crazy. At least Democrat idea to rival China is to invest better and talking with allies not destroying global world order.
 

caudaceus

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My advice to China leadership is that Atleast Republicans are honest about how they are barbarian, savage, assholes who do regime changes around the world. They don't even pretend anymore, they embrace being a mafia boss of the world anymore, see Pompeo's sloppy propaganda.

But with the Democrats, they pretend they are your friend, and plot conniving ways of "Gathering allies" to stab you in the back. All the while pretending they are your friend.

China should operate under assumption the US-China Tech War never ended, even if Biden removes tariffs and restores economic relations. China should continue the siege mentality and push to become the most dominant semiconductor nation on earth and never let any foreign power hold our technology sector hostage ever again!
Actually I read even conservative think tank doesn't agree with total semiconductor ban to China. U.S. companies would lose revenue and just emboldened China to indeginize semiconductor industry.
 

gelgoog

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Actually I read even conservative think tank doesn't agree with total semiconductor ban to China. U.S. companies would lose revenue and just emboldened China to indeginize semiconductor industry.

Those would be the libertarian wing of the Republicans but they are fringe. One example would be Rand Paul.
Unfortunately these typically aren't the people at the Senate meetings which decide policy.
Instead you get people like people like the gentleman from Alabama which is in bed with the rest of the military industrial complex.

Trump himself is on the pocket of Boeing among other companies.
 

hullopilllw

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Actually I read even conservative think tank doesn't agree with total semiconductor ban to China. U.S. companies would lose revenue and just emboldened China to indeginize semiconductor industry.

Nevertheless it is already too late, Trump's admin team has essentially crossed red the line by banning access to a crucial common good which US has, unspokenly, guaranteed access to in order be trusted as the one underpinning the rule of global trade and distribution of manufacturing supply chain post WW2.

The trust is lost. There should not be any wishful thinkings of part of US companies or officials for China not to ramp up investment in R&D into crucial sectors to achieve total tech independence.
 

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Nevertheless it is already too late, Trump's admin team has essentially crossed red the line by banning access to a crucial common good which US has, unspokenly, guaranteed access to in order be trusted as the one underpinning the rule of global trade and distribution of manufacturing supply chain post WW2.

The trust is lost. There should not be any wishful thinkings of part of US companies or officials for China not to ramp up investment in R&D into crucial sectors to achieve total tech independence.
Yeah the USA has pulled to many dick moves to be trusted again. Hence it is expected that should the US economic collapse and there dollar loses its world reserve status, not only will most nations dump the dollar for one, but many nations will think twice before even think about investing into the USA. Heck, China along with other countries may very well choose that time to reduce exports to the USA unless they pay in tangible resources since as a nation they only seem to offer suffering and not much else
 

localizer

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Anyone else think that a Biden win would be detrimental to CCP because it demonstrates the potential of the democratic process?

Or are Chinese dead set on violent revolutions till the end.
 

caudaceus

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demonstrates the potential of the democratic process
Very unlikely. I think somehow chinese on mainland has achieved some kind of "conciusness" towards their own system that is quite robust.
That's why I think it's good for the gov to try to limit boycott such as NBA remarks or something similar. Mainlanders are already quite good to put pressure themselves.
 
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