Sadly my university professor though nationalistic, have said that there is no hope here and we should all immigrate. It shows the mental defeat of the Filipino people. I mean come on overseas workers are regarded as heroes specially those that work in white countries.
Decline of Japan Thread
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Sadly my university professor though nationalistic, have said that there is no hope here and we should all immigrate. It shows the mental defeat of the Filipino people. I mean come on overseas workers are regarded as heroes specially those that work in white countries.
Hi duskseeker
Im a FILIPINO CHINESE, I had gone thru countless racial discrimination but my MY FILIPINO NATIONALISM stay true, especially when DUTERTE won the presidency. In HIM a saw a FILIPINO PATRIOT that put FILIPINO FIRST than their FAMILY, He will not sell us out to foreigners.
Regarding the FILIPINO MENTAL OUTLOOK, I to despair with the lack of nationalism, I had a relative in the US, the way they act is as though they are superior, even though their are only workers and I owned my business. We are obligated to see them in higher esteem cause they had made it and become US citizen, SUCH LOW LIFE.
Back to topic about Japan please.
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Back then Japan has no choice then because they live on export and their largest market is US and Europe. China and SEA was in consequential in economic term.
But they do now It is up to them to choose They can align back to Asia and reap the benefit or they can go down with sinking ship.
The political elite in Japan whether it is in politic media and intelligentsia tend to choose the west maybe because they have superiority attitude toward China and Asia.
But the bright spot are young people and business circle due to travel and personal contact and interaction. They slowly see the benefit and opportunity of aligning with China.
By itself Japan has no future the country is just too small for their industry and they need new talent and new blood. The only way is t open their strict immigration law and make is easier for the Korean and Chinese, Vietnamese and Phillipino to live and work in Japan. It easier to integrate then getting it from other countries
Clcik the cc it has english subtitle
This Japanese woman got rich by being a“housekeeper ”in China | The Reason Why I Live
But they do now It is up to them to choose They can align back to Asia and reap the benefit or they can go down with sinking ship.
The political elite in Japan whether it is in politic media and intelligentsia tend to choose the west maybe because they have superiority attitude toward China and Asia.
But the bright spot are young people and business circle due to travel and personal contact and interaction. They slowly see the benefit and opportunity of aligning with China.
By itself Japan has no future the country is just too small for their industry and they need new talent and new blood. The only way is t open their strict immigration law and make is easier for the Korean and Chinese, Vietnamese and Phillipino to live and work in Japan. It easier to integrate then getting it from other countries
Clcik the cc it has english subtitle
This Japanese woman got rich by being a“housekeeper ”in China | The Reason Why I Live
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坂村健 is a member of the Japanese government’s IT think tank. He is best known for his idea of “computing everywhere” at the age of 29 (1980). The core is to build Japan’s own operating system and CPU. Open strategy to build an ecosystem.
If the idea of Sakamura is successful, then the leading IT industry will develop in Japan. Japan will not only dominate DRAM, the core component of the computer, but will also dominate the CPU and operating system that will arise later. The entire Blue Star IT cake will become a Japanese dish.
Japanese companies such as NEC, Hitachi, and Fujitsu not only have the manufacturing capabilities of the CPU, but also the 8086 processor. They can modify the 8086 processor to ensure compliance with the TRON VLSI CPU architecture specification. Therefore, the TRON project. Welcome. In fact, the first chairman of the TRON project was the then president of Fujitsu.
In 1985, when the 386 processor was about to go on the market, Intel CEO Andy Grove was determined to wave the stick and keep control of the X86 architecture processor firmly in his hands.
There are two important factors that prompted Grove to slash a Japanese leeks. He hated Japan for killing American companies in the DRAM market. During a 125% plan, at a sales meeting, Grove said: “Intel is the last hope for the US electronics industry to face the Japanese electronics industry.” The final outcome is that Intel has quit the DRAM business and confessed to the Japanese.
Now, in the field of CPU, Intel finally ushered in the moment of revenge. More importantly, Grove is also holding the same big killer “Semiconductor Protection Act.”
The knives are in hand. Intel began to accuse NEC of quietly improving the 8086 and 8088 chips and selling them in Japan as their own. When selling new CPUs, NEC refused to pay Intel any royalties. Subsequently, Intel filed a complaint and sent NEC to court. The focus of the litigation debate between the two parties was on the microcode (instruction set). As a result of the court’s final judgment, Intel owns the microcode copyright of X86, but Intel cannot claim from NEC because of its own license management issues.
Despite the failure to make a successful claim to NEC, Grove got what he wanted: gained exclusive control over the X86 architecture.
Japanese companies are also very wronged. They feel that they have been bridged by Intel. They manufacture and sell 8086 and 8088 chips for Intel. After working hard to help X86 architecture become the “world standard”, Intel has cut off 32-bit Japanese companies. The authorization of the CPU to enjoy the fruits of the monopoly market alone.
After the development of the TRON project was blocked in the CPU field, Japanese companies pin their hopes on the operating system, but this dream was also ruined by 1989.
After the United States learned that the Japanese government had to install the TRON system into the school’s computer, it pulled down its face and threatened to list TRON as one of the unfair trade barriers. At this time, Japan-US semiconductor trade friction is right, the United States hit the Japanese DRAM industry on a global scale, making many Japanese companies fall into a psychological shadow. Many Japanese computer companies are worried about losing the US market and interrupting the connection with TRON. Muramura said that he was extremely disappointed.
To avoid angering the United States, the Japanese TRON project was forced to scale down, modify the vision, and let the “ubiquitous computing” remove the PC option. The TRON VLSI CPU architecture also turned to MCUs that would not compete with the US (micro control unit) , that is, a single-chip computer), to the embedded field.
In the field of DRAM, Japan was able to shine in the 1970s and early 1980s, mainly because the US government did not realize the strategic position of the chip. After the mid-1980s, with the introduction of the Semiconductor Protection Act of 1984, the IT industry, including chips, was established as a strategic emerging industry in the United States.Industries that need to use national security excuses for protection. Japan is trying to challenge the United States on emerging CPUs and operating systems. Of course, the United States can’t stand it. So when TRON is still in its infancy, it will not give it a chance to re-enact the DRAM market to break down Silicon Valley companies.
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In short:
- As early as 1980, Japan realized the importance of CPU
- NEC had an agreement with Intel to license 8086 and 8088 chips. This gave it access to the x86 architecture.
- The x86 architecture is important because it became the architecture of the IBM compatible PC
- Software is written to run on this architecture
- Japan was strong in hardware but weak in software. Most programmers wanted to code for x86
- NEC released the V20 and V30 16-bit chips in 1982 and 1983, later the V33 chip which was equivalent to the 80286
- At this point NEC could have become like AMD and competed with Intel on x86
- However Andrew Grove lobbied for the Semiconductor Protection Act of 1984 which for the first time made the x86 firmware "IP"
- Andrew Grove was furious Japan drove Intel and other US semi makers out of the DRAM market by the mid-80s
- When IBM demanded a backup supplier for x86 chips, Intel went to AMD to give a license instead of NEC
- In 1984/85, a lawsuit war over IP broke out between NEC and Intel
- The next generation of NEC chips, the V60/V70/V80 which were designed to compete with the 80386 and 80486, did not use x86 architecture
- While there were other competing architectures at this time, this means they could not be commercially successful
- In 1989 a US judge ruled that NEC did not violate Intel copyrights on the obselete V20/V30 clones of the 8086/8088, but granted Intel ownership of x86 going forward from 80386 onward. From this point NEC was finished in the CPU business.
- In the early 1990s a US judge granted AMD rights to use the x86 architecture permanently. Thus AMD has been able to compete with Intel ever since, but not NEC.
- There was also a Japanese OS associated with the TRON project, that could have competed with MS-DOS. However the US Trade Representative acting on behalf of Microsoft threatened Japan with sanctions if it rolled it out. So Japan ditched it in 1989.
- Japan chose to protect its access to the US DRAM market and cede CPU and OS to the US. It didn't realize this was a huge mistake that meant it would no longer move up the value chain.
- The DRAM market became commodotized & low margin, as South Korean & Taiwanese competitors came in. The low tech and low profit sector didn't help Japan much as it gradually lost market share.
- Intel went on to the "Wintel" alliance.
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Here is another article from someone's PhD dissertation. In this one, if you read between the lines, according to this paper Japan's NEC lost out in the CPU wars due to not having supporting software buy-in from a community of software developers:
"The problem is not so much one of investment...at least yen 19 billion ($50 million) is necessary for the production of one microprocessor as one software sophistication. When it comes to software, Japan cannot match the U.S. strength in development and application. Even Intel, who had been already dominating the microprocessor field, still saw fit to join IBM and its arsenal of software power."
Again, Japan's dominance in DRAM was only because US producers licensed Japanese companies out as a second-source in the 1970s and were caught off guard. But DRAM is hardware-only whereas CPU requires hardware/software matchup.
What is the lesson for today?
Similar today, you see companies like Samsung, have strong hardware, but rely on Google Android software for their smartphones. Huawei was going down the same route until being cut off from Google Android. But other Chinese smartphone companies like Vivo, Oppo, and Xiaomi are going down the same route again. But now Google is putting out its own hardware (the Pixel). In reality anyone can get into the hardware market for smartphones, we see so many companies getting in.
But it is hard to create an OS, only Microsoft, Apple and Google did. But Microsoft is still PC only, even they failed to create a Smartphone OS with Windows Phone, which was discontinued. So you see how hard it is, even Microsoft with all its experience and resources failed to break into a new software segment! This is because it requires an ecosystem of many different software developers to develop for your OS.
In sum, Asian semiconductor, PC and smartphone makers will always be behind as long as they do not control the OS. They are in a lower value commoditized segment always vulnerable to new competition and entrants.
"The problem is not so much one of investment...at least yen 19 billion ($50 million) is necessary for the production of one microprocessor as one software sophistication. When it comes to software, Japan cannot match the U.S. strength in development and application. Even Intel, who had been already dominating the microprocessor field, still saw fit to join IBM and its arsenal of software power."
Again, Japan's dominance in DRAM was only because US producers licensed Japanese companies out as a second-source in the 1970s and were caught off guard. But DRAM is hardware-only whereas CPU requires hardware/software matchup.
What is the lesson for today?
Similar today, you see companies like Samsung, have strong hardware, but rely on Google Android software for their smartphones. Huawei was going down the same route until being cut off from Google Android. But other Chinese smartphone companies like Vivo, Oppo, and Xiaomi are going down the same route again. But now Google is putting out its own hardware (the Pixel). In reality anyone can get into the hardware market for smartphones, we see so many companies getting in.
But it is hard to create an OS, only Microsoft, Apple and Google did. But Microsoft is still PC only, even they failed to create a Smartphone OS with Windows Phone, which was discontinued. So you see how hard it is, even Microsoft with all its experience and resources failed to break into a new software segment! This is because it requires an ecosystem of many different software developers to develop for your OS.
In sum, Asian semiconductor, PC and smartphone makers will always be behind as long as they do not control the OS. They are in a lower value commoditized segment always vulnerable to new competition and entrants.
They did make live very miserable for China between 1894 and 1945. Only strength will safeguard us from the horror we suffered in the past. The bloodthirst of those Imperial Japanese soldiers made them a nightmare for civilian populations. Everywhere they went men, women and children where killed and raped. I say good lord that we live to witness a declining Japan.
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Japan Btw is a thriving country, maybe the most hi tech in the world, having step to nuclear, space, computing and generally all the aspects of human intelligence proven in practice. It lacks only independece, still US occupied after ww2 , like Germany. And S.Korea just saying... They also have to throw away the known mafia running the country, which is sucking wealth desorienting the ethics and politics of such a hardworking nation.
Japan is a great country, but without independence, the Japanese will only be looted and suppressed at the whims of the US.
I don't understand this part. You don't code for the CPU, unless you are doing real time embedded application. You develop in high level language and then compile the code to run on the CPU. Thus I can take a code written for Wintel PC and compile it for ARM based iOS or Android, or even RISC V.
Plus this article is only talking about desktop OS. Real Time Operating Systems are what you need to run your factory machines, your telecom infrastructure, your power plants, your cars, your robots, your retail systems, your cameras, your satellites, your planes and ships, the things that make up your defense industry, your manufacturing industry, and so on. TRON is very successful as an embedded OS, although its not the only one Japan uses. For example, Canon has their own OS in their cameras. TRON is used for example with Japanese Keitai, and there is still a market for Keitai even now. Things like automotive fuel injection systems would need their own RTOS. Those factory machines, machine tools, and industrial robots Japan makes, they would require their own RTOS, and TRON is one of them. TRON is currently an open standard and there are Chinese companies that support it. Its not as if China has RTOS like RT-Thread on its own.
For all its worth, Windows embedded, now known as Windows iOT, hasn't conquered the world either, even though it has its own markets.