CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

[windsclouds2030]

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Crucially, many of the commercial vessels built at Jiangnan are for foreign clients. According to publicly available information, Jiangnan Shipyard is expected to deliver over 40 commercial vessels between November 2021 and 2024. Nearly two-thirds of the orders currently on the books are from companies based outside of mainland China or Hong Kong, including in Brazil, France, the United Arab Emirates, Taiwan, Singapore, Japan, Sweden, and the Netherlands.

As past CSIS analysis has demonstrated, the dual-use nature of Chinese shipyards should raise significant red flags. The foreign capital flowing into Jiangnan and the dozens of other shipyards that dot China’s coast may both directly and indirectly help buoy the ongoing modernization of the PLAN. Foreign companies would do well to consider whether their vessels should be built alongside Chinese warships—including the Type 003.


IIRC it's CSIS that suggested the world to stay away from the Chinese shipyards in one article in 2020 or so, saying such businesses would help PLA Navy build up. The sour grape CSIS.

Fortunately this CSIS think tank does not suggest the world from stop doing businesses with China as it will enrich that nation and cause more funding upon the modernization and expansion of the PLA...

 

[blindsight]

Crucially, many of the commercial vessels built at Jiangnan are for foreign clients. According to publicly available information, Jiangnan Shipyard is expected to deliver over 40 commercial vessels between November 2021 and 2024. Nearly two-thirds of the orders currently on the books are from companies based outside of mainland China or Hong Kong, including in Brazil, France, the United Arab Emirates, Taiwan, Singapore, Japan, Sweden, and the Netherlands.

As past CSIS analysis has demonstrated, the dual-use nature of Chinese shipyards should raise significant red flags. The foreign capital flowing into Jiangnan and the dozens of other shipyards that dot China’s coast may both directly and indirectly help buoy the ongoing modernization of the PLAN. Foreign companies would do well to consider whether their vessels should be built alongside Chinese warships—including the Type 003.


IIRC it's CSIS that suggested the world to stay away from the Chinese shipyards in one article in 2020 or so, saying such businesses would help PLA Navy build up. The sour grape CSIS.

So, free-market capitalism doesn't work?

 

[Maikeru]

Crucially, many of the commercial vessels built at Jiangnan are for foreign clients. According to publicly available information, Jiangnan Shipyard is expected to deliver over 40 commercial vessels between November 2021 and 2024. Nearly two-thirds of the orders currently on the books are from companies based outside of mainland China or Hong Kong, including in Brazil, France, the United Arab Emirates, Taiwan, Singapore, Japan, Sweden, and the Netherlands.

As past CSIS analysis has demonstrated, the dual-use nature of Chinese shipyards should raise significant red flags. The foreign capital flowing into Jiangnan and the dozens of other shipyards that dot China’s coast may both directly and indirectly help buoy the ongoing modernization of the PLAN. Foreign companies would do well to consider whether their vessels should be built alongside Chinese warships—including the Type 003.


IIRC it's CSIS that suggested the world to stay away from the Chinese shipyards in one article in 2020 or so, saying such businesses would help PLA Navy build up. The sour grape CSIS.

Fortunately this CSIS think tank does not suggest the world from stop doing businesses with China as it will enrich that nation and cause more funding upon the modernization and expansion of the PLA...

What an odd thing for CSIS to say! Surely ANY commercial orders will contribute to maintaining and expanding an industrial base that can also build warships, at the same yard or elsewhere? Unfortunately for the West, especially US and UK, shipbuilding industry only survives on naval and other government orders.

 

[by78]

Some high-resolution satellite images courtesy of CSIS.

 

[yungho]

Crucially, many of the commercial vessels built at Jiangnan are for foreign clients. According to publicly available information, Jiangnan Shipyard is expected to deliver over 40 commercial vessels between November 2021 and 2024. Nearly two-thirds of the orders currently on the books are from companies based outside of mainland China or Hong Kong, including in Brazil, France, the United Arab Emirates, Taiwan, Singapore, Japan, Sweden, and the Netherlands.

As past CSIS analysis has demonstrated, the dual-use nature of Chinese shipyards should raise significant red flags. The foreign capital flowing into Jiangnan and the dozens of other shipyards that dot China’s coast may both directly and indirectly help buoy the ongoing modernization of the PLAN. Foreign companies would do well to consider whether their vessels should be built alongside Chinese warships—including the Type 003.


IIRC it's CSIS that suggested the world to stay away from the Chinese shipyards in one article in 2020 or so, saying such businesses would help PLA Navy build up. The sour grape CSIS.

Fortunately this CSIS think tank does not suggest the world from stop doing businesses with China as it will enrich that nation and cause more funding upon the modernization and expansion of the PLA...

Hahahaha sour grapes

 

[Jingle Bells]

Crucially, many of the commercial vessels built at Jiangnan are for foreign clients. According to publicly available information, Jiangnan Shipyard is expected to deliver over 40 commercial vessels between November 2021 and 2024. Nearly two-thirds of the orders currently on the books are from companies based outside of mainland China or Hong Kong, including in Brazil, France, the United Arab Emirates, Taiwan, Singapore, Japan, Sweden, and the Netherlands.

As past CSIS analysis has demonstrated, the dual-use nature of Chinese shipyards should raise significant red flags. The foreign capital flowing into Jiangnan and the dozens of other shipyards that dot China’s coast may both directly and indirectly help buoy the ongoing modernization of the PLAN. Foreign companies would do well to consider whether their vessels should be built alongside Chinese warships—including the Type 003.


IIRC it's CSIS that suggested the world to stay away from the Chinese shipyards in one article in 2020 or so, saying such businesses would help PLA Navy build up. The sour grape CSIS.

Fortunately this CSIS think tank does not suggest the world from stop doing businesses with China as it will enrich that nation and cause more funding upon the modernization and expansion of the PLA...

Is it not standard practice for shipyard to be doing both types of order together?

 

[Kejora]

Some high-resolution satellite images courtesy of CSIS.

It seems they omitted the side crane.

 

[Maikeru]

Is it not standard practice for shipyard to be doing both types of order together?

Yep. Except that barely any merchant ships are built in western countries these days. In Europe, France, Finland and Italy build cruise liners, Norway does offshore platforms, that's about it.

 

[para80]

Yep. Except that barely any merchant ships are built in western countries these days. In Europe, France, Finland and Italy build cruise liners, Norway does offshore platforms, that's about it.

CSIS's point is not that its not standard practice (which it is, incl in eg Germany) but that exactly these kind of synergies will of course benefit PLAN, and this needs to go into strategic considerations. But it's a bit of a "whats the sound of one hand clapping"-point, given private companies will chose the vendor that suits their needs, they dont let political considerations flow into that unless they risk breaking laws. So its IMO all a tad academic.

 

[Lime]

CSIS's point is meaningless. I can also say that the great number of commercial vessels orders will take up the construction of navy ship.
in other words, it will slow down the speed of navy ship construction and launch.