CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

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I don't think that photo exists as Ulyanovsk was never launched: her hull was incomplete on the slipway when work stopped due to the fall of the Soviet Union. She was scrapped in situ without ever touching the water:View attachment 47069 View attachment 47070 View attachment 47071 View attachment 47072 View attachment 47073
Quite a shame tbh, the Ulyanovsk was one of those great "what ifs" in history. Had the hull been in a more completed form. It would have been highly possible for Russia or , you guessed it, China to purchase it and completed it.
We are so used to catapult carriers being a NATO thing only that we are sometimes surprised to know that the Soviets were also tantalizingly close to having it themselves too.
 

Obi Wan Russell

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Quite a shame tbh, the Ulyanovsk was one of those great "what ifs" in history. Had the hull been in a more completed form. It would have been highly possible for Russia or , you guessed it, China to purchase it and completed it.
We are so used to catapult carriers being a NATO thing only that we are sometimes surprised to know that the Soviets were also tantalizingly close to having it themselves too.
Indeed. If the shipyard had been in Russia and not Ukraine, the Russians might have kept her. After the fall of the USSR the ships were in a foreign country, one that needed cash to keep shipyards and other industries going. Varyag was afloat and not particularly 'in the way' but Ulyanovsk was on a valuable slipway which was needed for new commercial construction, and as Russia had little prospect or intention of 'stumping up the readies' anytime soon the decision was made to scrap the hull and free up the slipway.

Ulyanovsk was an evolution of the Kuznetzov design, larger, which meant an extra lift could be fitted (portside aft, clear of the angle as on US Carriers), Nuclear power (which pushed size and cost up anyway), a ski jump forward and two catapults in the waist. The shape of the bow ski jump strongly suggests it wasn't an integral bow ramp as with the Kuznetzovs, but actually a superstructure built on top of a conventional flat deck. The implication was that the Soviets were happy with ski jump launches for the present, but had an eye to using catapults in place of the ramps longer term, following USN practice. The Ramp would then be removed and two forward catapults installed.

Because the ship was essentially an enlarged Kuznetzov, it gives a guide to how an evolved Chinese variant of Liaoning might look...RCVN11437Ulyanovsk.png p1000358_sm.jpg p1000363_sm.jpg ulyanovsk_en_construction.jpg ulyanovsk1.jpg
 

Intrepid

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We saw at the only capable slipway No. 0 at Nikolayev: from
  • DEC 1962 to JAN 1965 "Moskva",
  • JAN 1965 to JUL 1968 "Leningrad",
  • for a very short time a third helicopter carrier but broken up, then a space control-monitoring ship in between, from
  • SEP 1970 to DEC 1972 "Kiev",
  • DEC 1972 to MAY 1975 "Minsk",
  • OCT 1975 to DEC 1978 "Novorossiysk",
  • DEC 1978 to MAR 1982 "Gorshkov",
  • JAN 1983 to DEC 1985 "Kuznetsov",
  • DEC 1985 to DEC 1988 "Varyag" (launched and fitted out until 68% complete) and
  • DEC 1988 to OCT 1992 "Ulyanovsk" (cancelled JAN 1991 at 20% complete and scrapped since FEB 1992).
I missed the name of the last carrier, now it is correct.
 

Intrepid

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Btw did a Russian carrier borne prototype AWACS ever fly?
No, it never flew.


From Wikipedia:
A detailed full-size mockup was completed in 1991, and approved with minor changes by the Soviet Naval Aviation (A-VMF). The collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 resulted in the program being delayed, with the catapult-equipped Ulyanovsk being cancelled and scrapped, and the second Admiral Kuznetsov class carrier, the Varyag, being left incomplete. The Yak-44 program was abandoned by the Russian Navy in 1993.
 
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Intrepid

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The JAN 1991 cancelled "Ulyanovsk" fits better to the 003-Thread, because the 3rd Chinese carrier will have the most elements based on this Sowjet design. And this will be the last Chinese carrier with roots in the former USSR. Thereafter things will change to much more US-Navy-style designs.
 
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