CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations
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Actually if you look closely there is a J-15 jet taking off from the carrier. The J-10 jets were NOT taking off from the carrier at all it is just eye candy for showing off CAC jets as well. The article is just being nit picky and over dramatic for nothing.
The "J-15" taking off from the carrier is actually a Mig-35. And the two LPDs on the side are LPD-17 class.
It's a bit of a mess of a commemoration picture, there's no two ways around it.
But at the same time, this isn't exactly that unique for military or political groups in the world to end up putting out some kind of strangely conceived promotional material. I still remember that time the DNC in the US showed Russian Black Sea Fleet warships on the big screen back in 2012 as part of a tribute for US veterans.
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Actually if you look closely there is a J-15 jet taking off from the carrier. The J-10 jets were NOT taking off from the carrier at all it is just eye candy for showing off CAC jets as well. The article is just being nit picky and over dramatic for nothing.
Errhm... that's a MiG-35. This also shows San Antonio class LPDs in the background and generic submarine silhouettes underwater (which could not have been seen by the naked eye in this situation).
It's just an amateur-made poster and frankly an embarrassment for the PLAN.
When Japan lost 66% of her fleet carrier force in one battle and went from having the initiative and being able to strike where and when she wanted to waiting on her honchos and hoping she could weather American attacks, she had a considerable material advantage over the USN in term of both quantity and quality of equipment. Japanese tactics were certainly not inferior. Japanese training and operational doctrine, while deeply flawed, were certainly still considerably superior to those of the USN.
What actually defeated the superior Japanese fleet were
1. Being too easily accustomed to numerous impressive victories gained the quick succession, the Japanese trivially minimized in their own minds the risk involved in doing what they wanted to do
2. Superior American operation intelligence gleaned through high level intelligence analysis.
Let's not exaggerate too much, I don't think this is even an embarrassment, it's a minor snafu for whoever does this kind of outreach work, and is surprisingly common among militaries.
What would be an actual embarrassment is if they had taken five years to construct this carrier, or if it was launched incomplete without and island and flight deck, or if it takes five years to fit out or something.
SinoSoldier
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Snide jabs aside, you'd think that the PLAN would get somebody in the loop to make their 68th anniversary poster. It's not that hard; most of the J-15 photos are royalty-free.
Well the Chinese military simply doesn't seem to put that much consistent effort into their PR material overall, that's nothing really new for us long term PLA watchers.
Even if Japanese tactics had any relevance to its losses to the USN, this is certainly totally irrelevant to whether Liaoning's operating procedures resulted in any significant changes to CV-17's design. As for whether Japanese tactics had relevance to its losses to the USN, I would like to hear from either of you any real argument as to what extent Japan had a superior carrier experience advantage over the USN and how it was relevant to actual carrier DESIGN (which is what we are talking about here), to speak nothing of being able to tease out the extent to which Japanese carrier failures contributed to its ultimate loss to the US in WWII rather than its overall battle "tactics" in general.
We're not really surprised by this; certainly this is not the first time such incompetency is shown.
There was this news report about PLAAF making gigantic progress or whatever, with various PLAAF aircraft for different maneuvers in the sky and someone found a Top-Gun clip mixed in.
There was also some PLAN exhibition pictures showing some cool technologies for PLAN, including EMALS. The aircraft being catapulted turned out to be an F-16.
And it is not limited to the military. A couple years ago the government website of a certain county in China was showing a picture of a few local officials inspecting works, with one of the official apparently floating in the air, off the ground - the result of lousy PS work. This was caught by netters and the local government blamed their propaganda department.
It just seems that the propaganda departments at various levels of the government are hugely incompetent, sometimes downright embarrassing. In terms of coming out with good promotional videos or pictures, they're much worse than some of the works from amateurs and fanbois.
I think "inconsistent" in terms of their competence is a better way of describing it. Sometimes they produce decent PR material and are able to provide CCTV with decent videos as part of the military channel's updates on military exercises and what not (even if they never show us anything interesting deliberately), but other times it's obvious that someone inexperienced with military matters and PR received the job.
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