Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

supersnoop

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If you read between the lines of that AP article, that pointed criticism that was quoted came from an American and an Australian. Coincidence?

That being said, you can’t go into this with eyes closed and act like no mistakes were made in China. That AP article doesn’t really mention anything that wasn’t already posted here before. The only difference is that it makes it seem malicious.

1. The genome sequence was first discovered by a private lab. However by Chinese law, they cannot release the data until a government lab had verified it. Is this something that will be changed in the future? Hopefully so.

2. Lack of disclosure from Chinese CDC. Similar situation as above, Chinese CDC is not exactly like US CDC and has no decision making capacity. It cannot declare public health emergency or anything like that. That must be done by Ministry of Health. Again, another case of too many bureaucratic hurdles.

3. Destruction of samples except for approved labs. This was briefly touched on, but it should be emphasized that once it was verified to be a new virus, only the high BSL labs could research it for safety reasons (ironically to prevent “lab leak”).

Things that were not mentioned in the AP article that should also be pertinent.

1. US eliminating official cooperation between US CDC and Chinese CDC established during SARS. This is a frequent point of friction for critics of Trump as this was seen as a purely political gesture and might have improved the US (maybe worldwide) response to the virus.

2. Government officials in Wuhan have already been sacked over missteps such as that New Years party. Accountability was swift.

3. Technical issues with an outbreak reporting system caused delays in information sharing.

Many useful articles on these subjects were posted by @OppositeDay on this thread.

As the article pointed out, uch improvements have been made since SARS. So if there is a chance for further improvements, they must be adopted.
 
If you read between the lines of that AP article, that pointed criticism that was quoted came from an American and an Australian. Coincidence?

That being said, you can’t go into this with eyes closed and act like no mistakes were made in China. That AP article doesn’t really mention anything that wasn’t already posted here before. The only difference is that it makes it seem malicious.

1. The genome sequence was first discovered by a private lab. However by Chinese law, they cannot release the data until a government lab had verified it. Is this something that will be changed in the future? Hopefully so.

2. Lack of disclosure from Chinese CDC. Similar situation as above, Chinese CDC is not exactly like US CDC and has no decision making capacity. It cannot declare public health emergency or anything like that. That must be done by Ministry of Health. Again, another case of too many bureaucratic hurdles.

3. Destruction of samples except for approved labs. This was briefly touched on, but it should be emphasized that once it was verified to be a new virus, only the high BSL labs could research it for safety reasons (ironically to prevent “lab leak”).

Things that were not mentioned in the AP article that should also be pertinent.

1. US eliminating official cooperation between US CDC and Chinese CDC established during SARS. This is a frequent point of friction for critics of Trump as this was seen as a purely political gesture and might have improved the US (maybe worldwide) response to the virus.

2. Government officials in Wuhan have already been sacked over missteps such as that New Years party. Accountability was swift.

3. Technical issues with an outbreak reporting system caused delays in information sharing.

Many useful articles on these subjects were posted by @OppositeDay on this thread.

As the article pointed out, uch improvements have been made since SARS. So if there is a chance for further improvements, they must be adopted.

Exactly and thank you for taking effort to do a critical analysis. Without knowing who authored the article and a complete understanding and context of the source, one cannot ascertain the reality of events, the author's motive and how the source was selectively quoted to serve the authors intention. Hence, the whole article's credibility is questionable.

It reads very much like a propaganda to influence opinion for the gullible.

Yet it is repeatedly posted MSM as if it is factual. MSM including Associated Press in the age of internet is, as trump says, full of fake news. Yet there is a world of gullible people out there incapable of critical thinking.

And here Associated Press is marketing themselves as factual reporting organization. Listing an author is basic journalism lesson 101. puff.
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Gatekeeper

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why compare 2 dates with no immediate connection? why not compare date first decoded vs date WHO published the genome? probably the outbreak "spread factor" wasn't as impressive

Don't bother, I'm beginning to agree with one of the members here when he said Mr T is a Troll. He's already been proved wrong here with his accusation that China hasn't inform WHO sooner. And it turned out it was only a day. He now ran away and tries to troll Hong Kong thread, and getting shown up there too.
 

Rettam Stacf

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Latest research results shows that the New York City Covid-19 outbreak mainly from Europe. This reaffirms previous research that show the same conclusion.

Study shows NYC COVID-19 outbreak had European and U.S. origins
  • New York City's first confirmed COVID-19 cases stemmed primarily from European and United States sources, according to the first molecular epidemiology study of SARS-CoV-2 from researchers at the Icahn school of Medicine at Mount Sinai including CUNY SPH Ph.D. student Brianne Ciferri.
  • The study, which was published Friday in Science, is the first to trace the source of these cases and show that the SARS-CoV-2 outbreak in New York City arose mostly through untracked transmission between the United States and Europe, with limited evidence to support any direct introductions from China, where the virus originated, or other locations in Asia.
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New York coronavirus came via Europe, not directly from China, scientists say
  • Analysis of gene samples from 84 Covid-19 patients in city suggests most had a European origin, according to researchers from Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai
  • Similar study conducted in April found that about two-thirds of infections in New York were probably imported from Europe
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supercat

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Hubei province and Wuhan city cleared all confirmed COVID-19 cases.
Central China's Hubei Province cleared all its confirmed COVID-19 cases on Thursday, the provincial health commission said Friday.

As of Thursday, the last three COVID-19 patients in the province had been cured.

No new asymptomatic cases were reported on Thursday, while 28 such cases were released from quarantine. Besides, 217 asymptomatic cases were still under medical observation as of Thursday.

Hubei had reported a total of 68,135 confirmed COVID-19 cases with 4,512 deaths.
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Thirty-four of China's central state-owned enterprises (SOEs) signed contracts for 72 projects worth 327.73 billion yuan (about 46.1 billion U.S. dollars) with central China's Hubei Province Wednesday to help it recover from the COVID-19 outbreak.

In addition, a free trade zone in Hubei will be established. Hopefully, Hubei and Wuhan can rise like phoenixes.
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