Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

s002wjh

Junior Member
I probably lived in the US longer than you do. So don't lecture me how the media in the US do things. I still remember how the US media manipulate the public opinion in order to gear up support for the invasion of Iraq.

Fake News for you. There are hundreds and thousands more fake news about China that a reasonable person can find on internet.
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like i said there are Fake news and there aren't fake news, thats true Everywhere. i'm refer to the news few post back, that just reporting..

yes iraq was the worst thing happen in recent years, Bush was an idiot, he once said "even an C student can become POTUS". US pay for thousands live and $10T debt. if you live in the US more than 30 years, then you already know how news reported here.
 

solarz

Brigadier
I think there is now enough data to form a very preliminary assessment of the situation.

Clearly Wuhan is a massive outlier when it comes to fatalities, and personally, I think the current 2-3% mortality rate is massively inflated if you remove Wuhan.

The reasoning for me making such a significant dataset from the whole is because of the very special circumstances of the outbreak in Wuhan.

During the initial phases of the outbreak, there is a critically important short period where the correct medical information and procedures were not yet widely circulated.

That resulted in huge overcrowding in Wuhan hospitals, with patients taking none of the recommended protective measures. So you ended op having large numbers of people all crammed into enclosed spaces for extended periods of time, usually together with several infected.

That not only helped the virus to spread like wildfire, it also meant many of the earlier sufferers where exposed to heavy doses of the virus for prolonged periods of hours or even days.

As any half decent medical professional will tell you, the concentration and duration of the viral exposure has a direct impact on the severity of the infection, and thus also the mortality rate.

As such, I think the initial phase of the infection had a much higher mortality rate than is typical of this virus because of the heavy viral load those sufferers where initially exposed to.

Subsequent sufferers who were exposed to less concerted doses of the virus for shorter periods had much better survival rates as a direct consequence. But in a wider outbreak, now that we know what this thing is; odds are people are going to be exposed to low concentration doses of the virus; and as such, the mortality rates outside of Wuhan’s initial wave of sufferers may be a much better predictive model of the likely wider mortality rates.

Agreed. There's also the issue of Wuhan hospitals being overwhelmed with patients. A lot of those patients with severe symptoms require supportive care such as intubation. When hospitals are overwhelmed, many patients who might have lived with better care would not have been able to get such care.

Hopefully, with the construction of the two emergency hospitals, we will see the number of deaths plateau.
 

localizer

Colonel
Registered Member
Yea and you’re mixing infectious people with lots of patients with weak constitution

I still blame george gao for saying it cant be transmitted human to human

also blame that wuhan virology director saying you can use traditional chinese medicine


neither of these heads are qualified

george gao is a vet who has papers in human studies

wang yanyi (director of wuhan virology institute) became director cuz her husband, she never even studied viruses
 
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KYli

Brigadier
get away with what? look at Trump, he just hint Ukraine to investigate Biden, now he is on impeachment trail, you think Xi gonna get impeachment if he is doing the same.

As if the US media report domestic politics the same as they report international politics.

like i said there are Fake news and there aren't fake news, thats true Everywhere. i'm refer to the news few post back, that just reporting..

yes iraq was the worst thing happen in recent years, Bush was an idiot, he once said "even an C student can become POTUS". US pay for thousands live and $10T debt. if you live in the US more than 30 years, then you already know how news reported here.

That report is pure propaganda. A misrepresentation using anecdotal evidence to represent and generalize entire event. It is an isolated examples instead of compelling evidence. It doesn't bother to investigate(investigative journalism) or present any contradicted views or reports. Therefore, that report is merely garbage.

It is not about Bush. It is about the US media. It is about how all these media willing to toe the line and lie.
 

KYli

Brigadier
Yea and you’re mixing infectious people with lots of patients with weak constitution

I still blame george gao for saying it cant be transmitted human to human

also blame that wuhan virology director saying you can use traditional chinese medicine


neither of these heads are qualified

george gao is a vet who has papers in human studies

wang yanyi (director of wuhan virology institute) became director cuz her husband, she never even studied viruses

I don't blame them in the early days. You don't want to create a panic and nobody knows enough to make any hard decisions. Although they should have quarantine much more people to be safe than sorry which is a major failure for the agency.

I do blame them for inaction after 1/8, they should have taken more drastic actions. I do think there are too many researchers at CDC. They need front line veterans who have experience to deal with infectious diseases to be part of the top brass at China CDC.

I also applaud what the government has done after 1/20. Don't think other countries would be willing to sacrifice as much as the Chinese government does to contain the disease. The city and provincial government should still be blamed for total incompetence for not stock up the medical supplies.
 
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localizer

Colonel
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@s002wjh what do you think about Epoch Times.

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A passenger wearing a protective facemask looks on as she arrives at the Beijing Capital International Airport in Beijing on Feb. 2, 2020. (Noel Celis/AFP via Getty Images)
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‘A Man-Made Disaster’: Fear and Desperation Inside China’s Virus Epicenter
BY
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February 3, 2020 Updated: February 3, 2020
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Chen knew all too well the dangers lurking on the other side of the globe, but hopped on the plane anyway.

There was no other option to rescue her mother, who lives in the Chinese city of
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—ground zero of a virulent outbreak that has prompted a global health emergency.
 

supercat

Major
Here is the situation about the mortality rate as of Feb. 3 24:00 (death/confirmed case):

Wuhan city: 313/6384 = 4.9%
Hubei province (including Wuhan city): 414/13522 = 3.06%
The rest of China: 11/(20471-13522) = 11/6949 = 0.158%
All of China: 425/20471 = 2.07%

At the same time, 634 have been cured.

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Interesting news: China developed a diagnostic test that can detect infection during the latent/incubation period as early as Jan.30:

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vincent

Grumpy Old Man
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Interesting data. So half of all the confirmed infected in China are just in 6 cities. A lot of the rise in numbers after the lockdown are from people who were already infected and are now only showing symptons. When it will peak no one knows.

PS can you provide a link to the data.

pretty sure everyone get the number from the official source

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localizer

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The Epoch Times is a Falun Gong publication. I won't believe a word they say and I won't waste a second listen to what they.

Ofc we know, but will @s002wjh admit that it's all about China bashing.



Regarding the fatality statistics, I'd like to think travellers are less likely to die due to age.
 
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