Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Feb 2, 2020
December 26 is the first time someone realized that something is wrong. So rumors they tried to conceal anything before December 26 are just rumors. I know a lot of rumors claiming they know about this disease in late Nov or early Dec so this article should clear the confusion. Not to say that China CDC or City government or the provincial government haven't done a poor job after 1/1.

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7 similar patients 4 from South China Seafood Market

She judged "this must be a problem"


On the morning of December 26, 2019, a pair of old couples in the neighborhood of the hospital saw a fever and cough. At that time, the two went to the hospital to see the doctor. The CT scan of the chest was completely compatible with other viral pneumonia. Different changes. Zhang Jixian asked the old couple to call their son for an examination. The son did not have any symptoms, but the CT showed that his lungs had the same performance.


On this day, a merchant from the South China Seafood Market also had the same fever, cough, and the same lung performance. "Generally speaking, when a family visits a doctor, there will only be one patient, and not three people will get the same disease at the same time, unless it is an infectious disease." Zhang Jixian did these patients with influenza A, influenza B, syncytial virus, and adenovirus. , Rhinovirus, chlamydia, mycoplasma and other influenza-related tests, all patients were negative, thereby ruling out the flu.


The suspicion in Zhang Jixian's head was getting bigger and bigger. On December 27, she reported the situation of these four people to the business director Xia Wenguang, the hospital's hospital sense office and the medical department, and the hospital immediately reported it to the Jianghan CDC.


On December 28 and 29, the outpatient clinic successively treated 3 patients who also came from the South China Seafood Market, and now there are 7 same patients.

"This is a disease we have never seen before. There are also 4 patients from the South China Seafood Market. There must be a problem." Zhang Jixian judged that the 7 patients had the same symptoms as the lungs, but there was a difference in severity. Zhang Jixian keenly realized that the situation was wrong, and immediately reported to the hospital, and suggested that the hospital hold a multi-department consultation.


At 1 pm on December 29th, Xia Wenguang, the deputy dean in charge of the hospital, convened ten experts from the Department of Respiratory Medicine, Hospital Sense Office, Cardiovascular, ICU, Radiology, Pharmacy, Clinical Examination, Infection, and Medical Department. After discussing them one by one, the imaging is special, the systemic symptoms are obvious, and the laboratory tests have changes in muscle enzymes and liver enzymes. Experts agree that this situation is indeed abnormal and should be paid great attention. After asking about two other patients with similar medical history, they went to Tongji Hospital and Xiehe Hospital for treatment. After leaving the address in the South China Seafood Market, Vice President Xia Wenguang immediately decided to report directly to the disease control department of the provincial and municipal health and health committees.

On Sunday, December 29, the CDCs of the provincial and municipal health and health committees responded quickly after receiving the report, instructing the Wuhan CDC, Jinyintan Hospital, and Jianghan District CDC to go to the hospital to begin an epidemiological investigation.


In the evening, Huang Chaolin, the vice president of Wuhan Jinyintan Hospital and Wu Wenjuan, the director of the infectious disease treatment hospital in Wuhan, came to the Integrated Traditional Chinese and Western Medicine Hospital of Hubei Province. They inspected the seven patients one by one and picked up six patients. Three sons with severe illness and three with severe illness. The son of the family of three resolutely refused to go to Jinyintan Hospital and stayed at Zhang Jixian to continue treatment. He was discharged on January 7 this year.


Zhang Jixian firmly stated in an interview that the sooner the epidemic is discovered, the better it will be controlled. "We feel we are doing it right now!"


On February 1, reporters from various sources verified that the sources of all parties confirmed that it was the earliest reported epidemic situation of the Provincial Hospital of Integrated Traditional Chinese and Western Medicine, and evaluated that the government had gained time for early monitoring of the epidemic.

长江日报-长江网2月2日讯(记者田巧萍)
她很忙,接受采访的时间一拖再拖,只是叫记者“等通知”。
7个相似病人4个来自华南海鲜市场

她判断“这肯定有问题”



2019年12月26日上午,医院附近小区的一对老两口因发烧、咳嗽看病,当时两人是自己走到医院来看病的,拍出来的胸部CT片,却呈现出与其他病毒性肺炎完全不同的改变。张继先让老两口叫来他们的儿子做检查,儿子没有任何症状,但CT一照,肺上也有那种表现了。

这一天,还来了一位华南海鲜市场的商户,一样的发烧、咳嗽,一样的肺部表现。“一般来说,一家人来看病,只会有一个病人,不会三人同时得一样的病,除非是传染病。”张继先给这些病人做了甲流、乙流、合胞病毒、腺病毒、鼻病毒、衣原体、支原体等与流感相关的检查,病人全部呈阴性,从而排除了流感。

张继先头脑中的疑团越来越大,12月27日,她把这四个人的情况向业务院长夏文广、医院院感办和医务部作了汇报,医院立即上报给江汉区疾控中心。

12月28日、29日两天,门诊又陆陆续续收治了3位同样来自华南海鲜市场的病人,这一下就有7个一样的病人了。

“这是我们从来没有见到过的病,同样来自华南海鲜市场的有4个病人了,这肯定有问题。”张继先判断,7个病人,症状和肺部表现一致,只是轻重有区别。张继先敏锐地意识到情况不对,立即又向医院进行了报告,并建议医院召开多部门会诊。

12月29日下午1时,分管副院长夏文广召集了呼吸科、院感办、心血管、ICU、放射、药学、临床检验、感染、医务部的十名专家,大家对这7个病例进行了逐一讨论,影像学特殊,全身症状明显,实验室检查肌酶、肝酶都有变化,专家们一致认为,这种情况确实不正常,要引起高度重视。追问到还有两例类似病史患者,到同济医院、协和医院去治疗,留下来的地址也是华南海鲜市场后,夏文广副院长立即决定:直接向省、市卫健委疾控处报告。

12月29日是星期天,省、市卫健委疾控处接到报告后快速反应,指示武汉市疾控中心、金银潭医院和江汉区疾控中心前往医院,开始流行病学调查。

傍晚,武汉市传染病定点收治医院——武汉市金银潭医院业务副院长黄朝林和ICU主任吴文娟来到湖北省中西医结合医院,逐一查看了这7个病人,接走了6位病人,其中轻症三位、重症三位,那一家三口的儿子坚决不去金银潭医院,留在张继先这里继续治疗,今年元月7日病愈出院。

张继先接受采访时坚定地说,疫情发现越早越有利于控制。“我们现在感觉自己做对了!”

2月1日,记者多方求证,各方信源均证实是省中西医结合医院最早上报疫情,并评价给政府及早监测疫情争取了时间。
now doctor Zhang is in
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Hendrik_2000

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Exclusive: Internal Chinese report warns Beijing faces Tiananmen-like global backlash over virus



BEIJING (Reuters) - An internal Chinese report warns that Beijing faces a rising wave of hostility in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak that could tip relations with the United States into confrontation, people familiar with the paper told Reuters.

This is why China must strengthen its propaganda and its international media, because anti-Chinese feelings are not only rising in America, but also in Asia, Africa, Europe, and especially in India.

I don't know where you live most likely in the west and you are reading too much into western MSM propaganda Yes because they saturated the air with their poisson hate and envy propaganda the west on the whole dislike China But that is not true for the rest of the world specially in Asia.

Wee heart warming word of encouragement and support from china's neigbor who has their own dispute with China but since the virus is common enemy and no one is an island They are aware of China effort and giving them time AS they say gold still shinning even in the mud. I don't think the rest of the world are moron and eat up all the lie eventually the truth will reappear.
People in denial will stuck their head in the sand It is futile effor to convince them

Washington is shifting blame to Beijing, a convenient scapegoat in an election year, to cover up its clumsy handling of the pandemic. This is a disgraceful act, says Japanese expert Takakage Fujita.
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There has been speculation that the coronavirus was leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, but an American researcher who worked with the lab has explained why she thinks this theory is "highly unlikely."
 
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May 4, 2020
After retesting samples, French hospital discovers COVID-19 case from December
PARIS (Reuters) - A French hospital which has retested old samples from pneumonia patients discovered that it treated a man who had COVID-19 as early as Dec. 27, nearly a month before the French government confirmed its first cases.

Yves Cohen, head of resuscitation at the Avicenne and Jean Verdier hospitals in the northern suburbs of Paris, told BFM TV that scientists had retested samples from 24 patients treated in December and January who tested negative for the flu.
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Shock revelation. From the express in the UK. There have been talks for weeks that France's virus started life differently to the one in China. I don't know what this means. Perhaps those scientist here care to add to this findings.

France in chaos as backdated test finds first French coronavirus case emerged in DECEMBER

FRANCE sparked further doubt on the spread of the coronavirus after doctors at a hospital in the suburbs of Paris said one of their patients appeared to have had the virus as early as December after tests were repeated.

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World should thank China for discovering the disease and at least tried to warn them.

Sadly they were blinded by their racism.
 

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As I was saying after Trump targeting China, racism will be on the increase. Because racist sees it ok to be racist since Its ok that POTUS and Pompeo to call it Chinese virus!

On social media, this young Asian got a shocking surprise. There are worse abuses out there. Plenty of videos showing Asians being beaten up. So becareful out there guys.

Racial attack!!!

I and my mom went to target (located on Hesperian Blvd, Hayward) this evening and I got verbally attacked because of my race.

I was waiting for my mom in the car while she was trying to get some groceries (store next to target). I was playing on my phone. Her brother (the woman in the picture) opened the back door of their car and hit my car’s door hard on purpose. Then split on my car.

She told me to go back to China. I said I don’t even have a Chinese passport. I’m not from China. Then she said she doesn’t care about Chinese or Vietnamese, etc.

OK, I can feel the tension of discrimination against Chinese/Asian community these days but this is the first time I actually got attacked.

Coronavirus is no one’s wrong. Please STOP doing this to us!!!

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That's why I just recently bought my first gun Saturday and I'm thankful of being a Texan. This is because last friday night, 3 guys came calling to my house and ringing my doorbell, then banging on my door yelling something. I wasn't expecting any visitors and my house is in the middle of the neighborhood so it made no sense to answer and open the door. I suspect its because we were the only Asian family in a mostly White neighborhood. While I think those people just there to do a bit of harassment out of anger, frustration and boredom but unlikely to return, I nonetheless want to be prepared if anything happens.

I have a feeling things are going to get worse especially since its election year and the fact that statewide deathtoll hasn't peaked nor is the economic downturned finished.
 
In this propaganda war It is almost impossible to change the western perception of China since they control most of the world opinion maker with their domination of press, film, and new agencies . But it doesn't matter what is most important is their domestic perception of Chinese governance. In this respect I think China gain momentum in convincing their own population that they are more competence in the running the state craft due to incompetence in western response to Corona virus
Though as usual anything come form China is labelled propaganda But as they say the proof is in the pudding
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If many Chinese people are susceptible to triumphal propaganda, it’s partly because, for an increasingly large share of the population, nothing in their lived experience contradicts it. For all the doubt about the veracity of Chinese GDP growth numbers, the improvement in the quality of life for countless millions of Chinese citizens in recent decades is real, palpable, and impressive. Younger Chinese “are accustomed to the Olympics, high speed rail, and mobile payments, and have no direct personal memories of poverty, hunger, or turmoil,” says Huang. They have been raised to believe their government can deliver the goods; now, they are being taught that America’s government cannot.

“One month ago they told me the U.S. had developed testing,” began a popular comment on Weibo, posted in early April. “One month ago, they told me the U.S. could take care of its own health; one month ago they told me the U.S. would stabilize as soon as it mobilized; one month ago they said U.S. industry was developed enough to produce the needed ventilators. Now I finally understand; it was all just talk

Quite literally the US is mired in its own BS, from the colonial to the cold war, taking on a life of its own. The US has the potential to perform at the level it says it can, but not at the current level of corruption and government being usurped by big money special interests.
 

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That's why I just recently bought my first gun Saturday and I'm thankful of being a Texan. This is because last friday night, 3 guys came calling to my house and ringing my doorbell, then banging on my door yelling something. I wasn't expecting any visitors and my house is in the middle of the neighborhood so it made no sense to answer and open the door. I suspect its because we were the only Asian family in a mostly White neighborhood. While I think those people just there to do a bit of harassment out of anger, frustration and boredom but unlikely to return, I nonetheless want to be prepared if anything happens.

I have a feeling things are going to get worse especially since its election year and the fact that statewide deathtoll hasn't peaked nor is the economic downturned finished.

Sorry to hear of your experiences. It certainly make my arguments with my co-workers and friends pale into insignificance.

Here's some sad news from Michigan where gun-wieding activists was encouraged to "re-take the state":.....

Michigan security guard shot and killed after asking Family Dollar shopper to wear a mask

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Comments from the governor of Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer accusing the gun-wieding protestors of racism.

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'Swastikas and nooses': governor slams 'racism' of Michigan lockdown protest

Gretchen Whitmer says heavily armed men and Confederate flags at state capitol ‘depicted some of the worst racism and awful parts of our history’

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