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Wangxi

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Exclusive: Internal Chinese report warns Beijing faces Tiananmen-like global backlash over virus



BEIJING (Reuters) - An internal Chinese report warns that Beijing faces a rising wave of hostility in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak that could tip relations with the United States into confrontation, people familiar with the paper told Reuters.


The report, presented early last month by the Ministry of State Security to top Beijing leaders including President Xi Jinping, concluded that global anti-China sentiment is at its highest since the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown, the sources said.

As a result, Beijing faces a wave of anti-China sentiment led by the United States in the aftermath of the pandemic and needs to be prepared in a worst-case scenario for armed confrontation between the two global powers, according to people familiar with the report’s content, who declined to be identified given the sensitivity of the matter.

The report was drawn up by the China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations (CICIR), a think tank affiliated with the Ministry of State Security, China’s top intelligence body.

Reuters has not seen the briefing paper, but it was described by people who had direct knowledge of its findings.

“I don’t have relevant information,” the Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson’s office said in a statement responding to questions from Reuters on the report.

China’s Ministry of State Security has no public contact details and could not be reached for comment.


CICIR, an influential think tank that until 1980 was within the Ministry of State Security and advises the Chinese government on foreign and security policy, did not reply to a request for comment.

Reuters couldn’t determine to what extent the stark assessment described in the paper reflects positions held by China’s state leaders, and to what extent, if at all, it would influence policy. But the presentation of the report shows how seriously Beijing takes the threat of a building backlash that could threaten what China sees as its strategic investments overseas and its view of its security standing.

Relations between China and the United States are widely seen to be at their worst point in decades, with deepening mistrust and friction points from U.S. allegations of unfair trade and technology practices to disputes over Hong Kong, Taiwan and contested territories in the South China Sea.

In recent days, U.S. President Donald Trump, facing a more difficult re-election campaign as the coronavirus has claimed tens of thousands of American lives and ravaged the U.S. economy, has been ramping up his criticism of Beijing and threatening new tariffs on China. His administration, meanwhile, is considering retaliatory measures against China over the outbreak, officials said.

It is widely believed in Beijing that the United States wants to contain a rising China, which has become more assertive globally as its economy has grown.

The paper concluded that Washington views China’s rise as an economic and national security threat and a challenge to Western democracies, the people said. The report also said the United States was aiming to undercut the ruling Communist Party by undermining public confidence.

Chinese officials had a “special responsibility” to inform their people and the world of the threat posed by the coronavirus “since they were the first to learn of it,” U.S. State Department spokeswoman Morgan Ortagus said in response to questions from Reuters.


Without directly addressing the assessment made in the Chinese report, Ortagus added: “Beijing’s efforts to silence scientists, journalists, and citizens and spread disinformation exacerbated the dangers of this health crisis.”

A spokesman for the U.S. National Security Council declined to comment.

REPERCUSSIONS
The report described to Reuters warned that anti-China sentiment sparked by the coronavirus could fuel resistance to China’s Belt and Road infrastructure investment projects, and that Washington could step up financial and military support for regional allies, making the security situation in Asia more volatile.

Three decades ago, in the aftermath of Tiananmen, the United States and many Western governments imposed sanctions against China including banning or restricting arms sales and technology transfers.

China is far more powerful nowadays.

Xi has revamped China’s military strategy to create a fighting force equipped to win modern wars. He is expanding China’s air and naval reach in a challenge to more than 70 years of U.S. military dominance in Asia.

In its statement, China’s foreign ministry called for cooperation, saying, “the sound and steady development of China-U.S. relations” serve the interests of both countries and the international community.



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It added: “any words or actions that engage in political manipulation or stigmatization under the pretext of the pandemic, including taking the opportunity to sow discord between countries, are not conducive to international cooperation against the pandemic.”

COLD WAR ECHOES
One of those with knowledge of the report said it was regarded by some in the Chinese intelligence community as China’s version of the “Novikov Telegram”, a 1946 dispatch by the Soviet ambassador to Washington, Nikolai Novikov, that stressed the dangers of U.S. economic and military ambition in the wake of World War Two.

Novikov’s missive was a response to U.S. diplomat George Kennan’s “Long Telegram” from Moscow that said the Soviet Union did not see the possibility for peaceful coexistence with the West, and that containment was the best long-term strategy.

The two documents helped set the stage for the strategic thinking that defined both sides of the Cold War.

China has been accused by the United States of suppressing early information on the virus, which was first detected in the central city of Wuhan, and downplaying its risks.

Beijing has repeatedly denied that it covered up the extent or severity of the virus outbreak.

China has managed to contain domestic spread of the virus and has been trying to assert a leading role in the global battle against COVID-19. That has included a propaganda push around its donations and sale of medical supplies to the United States and other countries and sharing of expertise.


But China faces a growing backlash from critics who have called to hold Beijing accountable for its role in the pandemic.

Trump has said he will cut off funding for the World Health Organization (WHO), which he called “very China-centric,” something WHO officials have denied.

Australia’s government has called for an international investigation into the origins and spread of the virus.

Last month, France summoned China’s ambassador to protest a publication on the website of China’s embassy that criticized Western handling of coronavirus.

The virus has so far infected more than 3 million people globally and caused more than 200,000 deaths, according to a Reuters tally.

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This is why China must strengthen its propaganda and its international media, because anti-Chinese feelings are not only rising in America, but also in Asia, Africa, Europe, and especially in India.
 

manqiangrexue

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well to be honest it's very clear that certain countries simply didnt take social distancing seriously. governments were afraid to look "draconian" and released a bunch of gentle half-hearted advisories, and many people of these countries were simply defiant and couldnt take instructions. this is not so much a political problem as a cultural one
How about Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia, Thailand, Laos, Myanmar, Nepal? None of them suffered many deaths. They were also countries that were incapable of rushing a high-tech response like South Korea. Did they implement strict social distancing measures that were quickly and properly heeded? Did they even enter economic freeze/lock-down in order to contain the spread? I didn't specifically look for news on them so I don't know how much they did (I have a feeling that they did not defend themselves with much of anything) but if you asked me in February, I would say that these places are crowded, humid, and often impoverished; if COVID-19 got into their country, they'd be toast. But it did and they're doing very well unless all of them are just not reporting accurately.

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Gatekeeper

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As I was saying after Trump targeting China, racism will be on the increase. Because racist sees it ok to be racist since Its ok that POTUS and Pompeo to call it Chinese virus!

On social media, this young Asian got a shocking surprise. There are worse abuses out there. Plenty of videos showing Asians being beaten up. So becareful out there guys.

Racial attack!!!

I and my mom went to target (located on Hesperian Blvd, Hayward) this evening and I got verbally attacked because of my race.

I was waiting for my mom in the car while she was trying to get some groceries (store next to target). I was playing on my phone. Her brother (the woman in the picture) opened the back door of their car and hit my car’s door hard on purpose. Then split on my car.

She told me to go back to China. I said I don’t even have a Chinese passport. I’m not from China. Then she said she doesn’t care about Chinese or Vietnamese, etc.

OK, I can feel the tension of discrimination against Chinese/Asian community these days but this is the first time I actually got attacked.

Coronavirus is no one’s wrong. Please STOP doing this to us!!!

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manqiangrexue

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Exclusive: Internal Chinese report warns Beijing faces Tiananmen-like global backlash over virus



BEIJING (Reuters) - An internal Chinese report warns that Beijing faces a rising wave of hostility in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak that could tip relations with the United States into confrontation, people familiar with the paper told Reuters.


The report, presented early last month by the Ministry of State Security to top Beijing leaders including President Xi Jinping, concluded that global anti-China sentiment is at its highest since the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown, the sources said.

As a result, Beijing faces a wave of anti-China sentiment led by the United States in the aftermath of the pandemic and needs to be prepared in a worst-case scenario for armed confrontation between the two global powers, according to people familiar with the report’s content, who declined to be identified given the sensitivity of the matter.

The report was drawn up by the China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations (CICIR), a think tank affiliated with the Ministry of State Security, China’s top intelligence body.

Reuters has not seen the briefing paper, but it was described by people who had direct knowledge of its findings.

“I don’t have relevant information,” the Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson’s office said in a statement responding to questions from Reuters on the report.

China’s Ministry of State Security has no public contact details and could not be reached for comment.


CICIR, an influential think tank that until 1980 was within the Ministry of State Security and advises the Chinese government on foreign and security policy, did not reply to a request for comment.

Reuters couldn’t determine to what extent the stark assessment described in the paper reflects positions held by China’s state leaders, and to what extent, if at all, it would influence policy. But the presentation of the report shows how seriously Beijing takes the threat of a building backlash that could threaten what China sees as its strategic investments overseas and its view of its security standing.

Relations between China and the United States are widely seen to be at their worst point in decades, with deepening mistrust and friction points from U.S. allegations of unfair trade and technology practices to disputes over Hong Kong, Taiwan and contested territories in the South China Sea.

In recent days, U.S. President Donald Trump, facing a more difficult re-election campaign as the coronavirus has claimed tens of thousands of American lives and ravaged the U.S. economy, has been ramping up his criticism of Beijing and threatening new tariffs on China. His administration, meanwhile, is considering retaliatory measures against China over the outbreak, officials said.

It is widely believed in Beijing that the United States wants to contain a rising China, which has become more assertive globally as its economy has grown.

The paper concluded that Washington views China’s rise as an economic and national security threat and a challenge to Western democracies, the people said. The report also said the United States was aiming to undercut the ruling Communist Party by undermining public confidence.

Chinese officials had a “special responsibility” to inform their people and the world of the threat posed by the coronavirus “since they were the first to learn of it,” U.S. State Department spokeswoman Morgan Ortagus said in response to questions from Reuters.


Without directly addressing the assessment made in the Chinese report, Ortagus added: “Beijing’s efforts to silence scientists, journalists, and citizens and spread disinformation exacerbated the dangers of this health crisis.”

A spokesman for the U.S. National Security Council declined to comment.

REPERCUSSIONS
The report described to Reuters warned that anti-China sentiment sparked by the coronavirus could fuel resistance to China’s Belt and Road infrastructure investment projects, and that Washington could step up financial and military support for regional allies, making the security situation in Asia more volatile.

Three decades ago, in the aftermath of Tiananmen, the United States and many Western governments imposed sanctions against China including banning or restricting arms sales and technology transfers.

China is far more powerful nowadays.

Xi has revamped China’s military strategy to create a fighting force equipped to win modern wars. He is expanding China’s air and naval reach in a challenge to more than 70 years of U.S. military dominance in Asia.

In its statement, China’s foreign ministry called for cooperation, saying, “the sound and steady development of China-U.S. relations” serve the interests of both countries and the international community.



Slideshow (2 Images)
It added: “any words or actions that engage in political manipulation or stigmatization under the pretext of the pandemic, including taking the opportunity to sow discord between countries, are not conducive to international cooperation against the pandemic.”

COLD WAR ECHOES
One of those with knowledge of the report said it was regarded by some in the Chinese intelligence community as China’s version of the “Novikov Telegram”, a 1946 dispatch by the Soviet ambassador to Washington, Nikolai Novikov, that stressed the dangers of U.S. economic and military ambition in the wake of World War Two.

Novikov’s missive was a response to U.S. diplomat George Kennan’s “Long Telegram” from Moscow that said the Soviet Union did not see the possibility for peaceful coexistence with the West, and that containment was the best long-term strategy.

The two documents helped set the stage for the strategic thinking that defined both sides of the Cold War.

China has been accused by the United States of suppressing early information on the virus, which was first detected in the central city of Wuhan, and downplaying its risks.

Beijing has repeatedly denied that it covered up the extent or severity of the virus outbreak.

China has managed to contain domestic spread of the virus and has been trying to assert a leading role in the global battle against COVID-19. That has included a propaganda push around its donations and sale of medical supplies to the United States and other countries and sharing of expertise.


But China faces a growing backlash from critics who have called to hold Beijing accountable for its role in the pandemic.

Trump has said he will cut off funding for the World Health Organization (WHO), which he called “very China-centric,” something WHO officials have denied.

Australia’s government has called for an international investigation into the origins and spread of the virus.

Last month, France summoned China’s ambassador to protest a publication on the website of China’s embassy that criticized Western handling of coronavirus.

The virus has so far infected more than 3 million people globally and caused more than 200,000 deaths, according to a Reuters tally.

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This is why China must strengthen its propaganda and its international media, because anti-Chinese feelings are not only rising in America, but also in Asia, Africa, Europe, and especially in India.
First of all, it does not link the report that it discusses. I have a feeling that such a report was made based on a worst-case-scenario projection rather than what is likely to happen. Secondly, the paper cherry-picks information. It says that France has complained that China criticized the Western response; that's hardly blaming China for a pandemic. Then it says Australia has joined the US to call for an investigation. It does not mention all the countries that reject such a notion. It does not mention that Germany rejected America's call for it to blame and ask for retribution from China. It does not mention all the leaders who thanked China for its help. It does not mention Italy flying China's flag alongside its own. It does not mention the 6 to 1 vote against the US calling it the Wuhan virus at the G7 or the 13 to 1 vote against the US notion to blame China at the UN security council.

And also, I simply don't know what you mean by improving propaganda. This is not a video game that you can click on "upgrade" and it will get better. How will you do it? What can you do that won't be branded as CCP propaganda that everyone needs to ridicule? What will you do so that your channel/content is not blocked in the US? You have to understand that the vast majority of people only read media of their own country; they will not seek out your Chinese media to contemplate whether it may be true over what their own media reports. Whatever you say will be twisted and distorted by local news (you say 10 million Chinese tests are over 97% accurate and they translate that to China shipped 300,000 faulty tests; you say China recorded no new cases and they translate that into China can no longer keep up with testing so they've given up... and nobody will seek out your version to read) before being fed to the people and if it cannot be used to their political advantage, they simply won't report on it and it won't reach anybody. Like I said, the US/West cannot compete with Chinese media in China and China cannot compete with their media in their countries. In every country, your government controls what you see and hear.
 

Gatekeeper

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Shock revelation. From the express in the UK. There have been talks for weeks that France's virus started life differently to the one in China. I don't know what this means. Perhaps those scientist here care to add to this findings.

France in chaos as backdated test finds first French coronavirus case emerged in DECEMBER

FRANCE sparked further doubt on the spread of the coronavirus after doctors at a hospital in the suburbs of Paris said one of their patients appeared to have had the virus as early as December after tests were repeated.

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Aniah

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First of all, it does not link the report that it discusses. I have a feeling that such a report was made based on a worst-case-scenario projection rather than what is likely to happen. Secondly, the paper cherry-picks information. It says that France has complained that China criticized the Western response; that's hardly blaming China for a pandemic. Then it says Australia has joined the US to call for an investigation. It does not mention all the countries that reject such a notion. It does not mention that Germany rejected America's call for it to blame and ask for retribution from China. It does not mention all the leaders who thanked China for its help. It does not mention Italy flying China's flag alongside its own. It does not mention the 6 to 1 vote against the US calling it the Wuhan virus at the G7 or the 13 to 1 vote against the US notion to blame China at the UN security council.

And also, I simply don't know what you mean by improving propaganda. This is not a video game that you can click on "upgrade" and it will get better. How will you do it? What can you do that won't be branded as CCP propaganda that everyone needs to ridicule? What will you do so that your channel/content is not blocked in the US? You have to understand that the vast majority of people only read media of their own country; they will not seek out your Chinese media to contemplate whether it may be true over what their own media reports. Whatever you say will be twisted and distorted by local news (you say 10 million Chinese tests are over 97% accurate and they translate that to China shipped 300,000 faulty tests; you say China recorded no new cases and they translate that into China can no longer keep up with testing so they've given up... and nobody will seek out your version to read) before being fed to the people and if it cannot be used to their political advantage, they simply won't report on it and it won't reach anybody. Like I said, the US/West cannot compete with Chinese media in China and China cannot compete with their media in their countries. In every country, your government controls what you see and hear.
I also want to add to this that it's good to remember that social media and local news like these do not and mostly will not affect how their respective government's future actions. You will constantly hear these news and media slandering and attacking China and you will even see people in the top such as the president and other government officials saying things like going down hard on China and whatnot but these are all just talks to appease the mass. Action will always speak louder than words.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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First of all, it does not link the report that it discusses. I have a feeling that such a report was made based on a worst-case-scenario projection rather than what is likely to happen.
I hope their "reporting" is actually accurate. I really hope the Chinese leadership is cognizant of the possibility of armed conflict with the US, especially with the rogues' gallery in charge of America right now. It would make it more likely that policies I would like to see enacted - like the order of magnitude expansion of China's nuclear arsenal - would be enacted. So if the report presents this bleak a picture, I say amen to that.
And also, I simply don't know what you mean by improving propaganda. This is not a video game that you can click on "upgrade" and it will get better.
You obviously press the ~ button and type "gib1337propaganda" in the console. If the cheat code works you hear a chime and then your propaganda is maxed.
 
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