Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

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Attempting to ascertain the lethality of the virus by number of infected and number of deaths is not always a correct formula. This is because the numbers can fluctuate wildly between countries.
To take the swine flu as a context, it infected 120,000 people in the US and killed around 3,000. But in Europe it infected 200,000 people alone in Germany, yet only 122 people died from it.

A lot depends on the initial reaction of the nation, the climate which the virus thrives in and as well as general awareness of the population.
 

plawolf

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ofcourse, since Xi Jinping is the second coming of Jesus Christ every other Chinese citizen is a nobody compared to him so anythimg negative they say about him is automatically considered false.

Yeah, no one cares about your FLG standard issue strawman BS.

regarding this myth that Wu Flu is no more dangerous than Flu, 59 million people in the US were infected , out of which 12000 died (0.02%) in other words.. in a random sample of 5800 patients only one patient would die of swine flu compare that to 132 for Wu flu.

Nice try, but you are either being deliberately disingenuous with your numbers, or cannot do even basic background research.

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The CDC estimated totals from 2009 to 2011 of 60.4m infected and deaths of 12,469.

You have to be an idiot to think the US actually performed 60.4m diagnostic tests, so you should have been suspicious of that number from the get go. But I guess you reserve your scepticism purely for China as per your programming. :rolleyes:

So, two blatantly obvious problems with your numbers. First is that a vaccine was available form Oct2009, which would have massively reduced the mortality rate from the outbreak as they were issued in prioritisation of risk, so those most likely to die from the outbreak were immunised first, minimising fatalities while having a much smaller impact on total infections because there weren’t enough vaccines for everyone, nor was there any attempt at mandatory total vaccination even when there were.

Secondly is the estimated nature of all those numbers.

You can read up on the CDC’s reasoning from the link above, but to quickly sum up, they multiplied the actual diagnosed infected number by 79.

direct quote from the CDC’s own website

Correcting for under-ascertainment, the study found that every case of 2009 H1N1 reported from April – July represented an estimated 79 total cases...

But if we look at the April-17OCT2009 actuals, we get a far more comparable set of numbers (in terms of comparing like-for-like).

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Cumulative reports of laboratory-confirmed 2009 H1N1 hospitalizations and deaths for the same period used in this analysis (April through October 17, 2009), are 17,283 hospitalizations and 1,004 deaths.

That’s a mortality rate of 5.81%.

another member asked me like one million times already what I think should be done & I didn't answer him..because China cannot do anything more than what they are doing now,

So China could not be doing anything more even by your own admission, yet you are still criticising its response. Real reasonable. :rolleyes:

that doesn't mean the officials that covered it up shouldn't be punished to make an example out of them,

You keep repeating the same claim, but where is your evidence of a cover up?

Xi's usefullness has expired, just as how Mao Zedong did good things for China before he screwed up, Xi too has screwed up when he censored information.

More FLG party line BS.

I always thought Xi was one of weakest leaders China has had, Xi's worshippers say he is the strongest leader since Mao.. just because he is stuck to his thrown doesn't mean he is strong, it just means he is selfish,I'm not suggesting that China should become a democracy that would be way too risky because then we might get a Chinese Gorbachiev, instead he should just let the young generation rule, I'm sure you could find thousands of young Chinese politicians who would be 100 times more hawkish than Xi.

Yet more FLG party line BS.

Don’t bother replying to me, as I have seen enough evidence to know you have nothing to value to contribute, and all your posts are just ideological driven brainwashed hate, so I am adding you to the very exclusive ignore club.
 
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kickars

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What’s the point of this thread? So that’s few new members could talk about how we should pro or against the current Chinese government?

Have you been to China? Have lived in China? Do you understand Chinese culture? Do you have close friends or even close families in Wuhan right now? Have you donated anything to the frontline hospitals? Are you using all your spare time buying masks, gloves, goggles, protective clothing from anywhere possible in order to donate to the frontline? Have you thought about put pressure on your government to support China in this fight?

No, no, no, no, no! The answers are all NO! Give me a break. This isn’t the forum for people like you.
 
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To clear up any misunderstanding and for the record I never insinuated and do not concur that the virus escaped from Wuhan lab like many in the Western MSM speculated about. I personally find that scenario impossible, like akin to China losing track of a nuclear warhead etc

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What are the odds this virus is the work of the CIA right in time for the Chinese new year?

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And the article said if the model holds then its 100 million by Valetines day. Trump may ban all flights soon. And other nations might follow. This could end up causing a global recession as supply chain wrecks havoc in the short term, with long term consequence of lingering effects of isolating China on the world stage, as well as give US the pretext to completely decouple, and gives Americans the leverage to drive a hard bargain at the next trade deal ( kinda like Trumps one sided Israeli deal announced today) to force Xi and CCP to accept a Plaza Accord or else CIA drops a second even more deadly virus, wiping all Chinese out in one fell sweep... or turn all of mainland into the mess of Hong Kong and install the Taiwanese Womens president into Beijing as regime change just like his buddy Steve Bannon had hoped they would do.

Is the any credible evidence that this virus has infected any persons of Caucasin dna so far? Or any evidence that it has spread geometrically in any Western nation? Absent the two above, I would say anything coming out of Hong Kong about global epidemic is fear mongeling at this point in time. Yes it is spreading fast in mainland China, but curiously not anywhere else in the world.

Sure............

I am not one to mince words, so I will lay it out quite clear that the "virus escape from a Wuhan lab" is a pretty poor deflection on your part.
 

adiru

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Sure............
Not sure what you meant to convey, I indeed never insinuated and do not concur that the virus escaped from Wuhan lab... nothing you quoted of mine could lead any reasonable person to infer that I ever made any statements towards that end.
 

obj 705A

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I would think that he is referring to the conspiracy theory that the coronavirus is some form of bio weapon.
then he should login himself & clear that up, did he resort to personal insults against me or any other member or was it just like what you said? beacuse if it's the former then it wasn't me that resorted to personal attacks.

New What’s the point of this thread? So that’s few new members could talk about how we should pro or against the current Chinese government?

for me personaly the only reason why I came here instead of keep commenting at the PDF (Pakistan Defence Forum) is because at the PDF many members are openly celebrating the crisis "LMAO crying screeming Chinese", you can't possibly talk with people like that.
 
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Not sure what you meant to convey, I indeed never insinuated and do not concur that the virus escaped from Wuhan lab... nothing you quoted of mine could lead any reasonable person to infer that I ever made any statements towards that end.
Setting that attempt of deflection aside, it is quite clear you are insulating that the coronavirus is some product of a western intelligence subterfuge against China when there is clearly no evidence to that apart from wild and biased speculation.
 
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then he should login himself & clear that up, did he resort to personal insults against me or any other member or was it just like what you said? beacuse if it's the former then it wasn't me that resorted to personal attacks.
That did be mighty rich to expect every single post on a thread is directed at a specific person in mind.
 

Hendrik_2000

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obj 705A cut it off will you You and your ilk have field day demonizing Chinese government response.They are not perfect far from it but they did the best they could under circumstance. Yes they did make mistake on the onset of the plague and they concede it The mayor even offer his resignation But so do any country when it was hit by sudden outbreak of unknown disease The bureaucracy, the hesitant But now the country is galvanizing, mobilizing and united. China has more resource and has built immense health care system since the SARS. I am pretty sure they will overcome this virus

The new rapid coronavirus screening kit, developed by the Chinese military, obtains the medical device certificate in China.

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According to a member of the expert committee of the National Commission for Chinese Health (NHC), the cultivation of vaccine strains against the
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2019-nCoV will take approximately 1 1/2 months, and it will take another 1 1/2 months obtaining the state certificate.

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  1. On January 25, Wuhan City Hall decided to build a second emergency hospital to house the 2019-nCoV patients. Delivery is scheduled for February 5. The teams work 24/7 to get there.

 
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