Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Petrolicious88

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The usa have the highest covid deaths.

in your opinion who is responsible?
Trump, and the US government. Most US citizens are unsatisfied with how their government handled the pandemic. But Trump in particular downplayed the pandemic during the crucial first few months. Encouraged people not to wear masks. Called it China virus which exacerbated racial tension. He was in charge, so he's responsible.
 

Petrolicious88

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Xi and CPC would ultimately hold accountable if millions of Chinese died due to the reopening.
Right. There you got it. It comes with the territory for being a leader.

Protests might have forced their hands but it didn't excuse them for big failures. However, I can blame Xi because I don't support the speed of reopening. On the other hand, you don't have any moral right to do so because you asked for reopening immediately.
Oh you can blame Xi but others can't? I support the middle road, which is essentially what the State Council recommended - maintain some of the basic strategies, but roll back some of the rigid policies that have caused so much suffering for certain sectors of Chinese population. Once again, no one is recommending just letting it rip. I can't get that through your thick skull. Stop twisting other people's words.
 

KYli

Brigadier
Right. There you got it. It comes with the territory for being a leader.
Doesn't mean you can hide behind your screen and ask for immediate reopening but still pretend to care and blame others if things go south.
Oh you can blame Xi but others can't? I support the middle road, which is essentially what the State Council recommended - maintain some of the basic strategies, but roll back some of the rigid policies that have caused so much suffering for certain sectors of Chinese population. Once again, no one is recommending just letting it rip. I can't get that through your thick skull. Stop twisting other people's words.
If China didn't open, it is Xi's fault. If China opened up, then it is still Xi's fault if things go south. Armchair general can't do no wrong.
 

KYli

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Most Chinese people are bucketing down and cut back their daily activities to protect themselves and their family from covid. That is good as cases wouldn't increase quickly and China would have more time to handle the surge. However, economy activities wouldn't be as rosy as people who advocate for immediate reopening would expect. But eventually things would pick up after the first big wave. Also vaccination has been increased for the last few days so another good sign.
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daifo

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What do you guys think of this guy. And what is he thinking now. If he just had waited a few more months.


This got posted prior and I made the same joke. Cnn "human rights advocate"/and fellow "compatriot" Selinda Boba Wang used him as a condom to get a story. Now that they have shown his face, name and situation, there is no way he can beg for a visa to stay in the US. Gone is the excuse like "ZZP trying to harvest muh falung gong organs" or my middle name is "Uyghur"
 

Petrolicious88

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Doesn't mean you can hide behind your screen and ask for immediate reopening but still pretend to care and blame others if things go south.
“Immediate reopening” - you keep on repeating this. Relaxing some of the rigid lockdown policies is not the same thing as immediate reopening.

You deny the possibility of a middle ground so it’s either lockdown or immediate reopening, which puts the government in a bind. How do you satisfy public demand for less restrictions, run the economy, while maintaining some core pandemic protocols.

Hence the middle ground. Not that hard to understand.
If China didn't open, it is Xi's fault. If China opened up, then it is still Xi's fault if things go south. Armchair general can't do no wrong.
Local governments have until Dec. 20th to get their acts together. A lot of work to do between now, end of month, and Jan etc.. If things go well, then Xi gets all the praise. It’s a meritocracy, and Xi has ultimate say, so it’s on him.
 

daifo

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It might be the end of zero covid , but it doesn't seem like its the end of "we should still try to prevent ourselves from catching covid." China remain the last person holding up the damn while everyone quit long ago or just surrender after a month, so at the very least we should be proud of that determination and fighting spirit.

Western media will only report the worst or what may be the worst. None of them truely knows what has been prepared and what hasn't. Lets hope that people are getting vaccinate or boosted, the population isn't yolo retarded, and the "harden life" of the elders will prepare them better survival if they do catch it.

 

KYli

Brigadier
“Immediate reopening” - you keep on repeating this. Relaxing some of the rigid lockdown policies is not the same thing as immediate reopening.

You deny the possibility of a middle ground so it’s either lockdown or immediate reopening, which puts the government in a bind. How do you satisfy public demand for less restrictions, run the economy, while maintaining some core pandemic protocols.

What lockdown, most Chinese cities don't have lockdown to begin with. I don't know why you keep repeating lockdown. It is like you only know about lockdown but nothing else.

A few large factories already have half of their staffs infected within the last few days. Whatever the policies won't be able to stop the surge. Japan, SK, Singapore, Taiwan and Hong Kong all failed to do so. What make you think China would be any different. At the moment, all the policies are trying to slow down the spread but the surge is still coming.
Hence the middle ground. Not that hard to understand.
Because I am not delusional. Even with all tough restrictions, Omicron was still spreading in China. Without so many policies and mass testings, the speed of the spread would only increase. So called middle ground is just buying time. Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore all have such transactional period. It didn't stop the virus from overwhelming the health care system.
Local governments have until Dec. 20th to get their acts together. A lot of work to do between now, end of month, and Jan etc.. If things go well, then Xi gets all the praise. It’s a meritocracy, and Xi has ultimate say, so it’s on him.
Local governments can't magically come up with more doctors and nurses. So most patients would be asked to stay home to cope. Why you keep mentioning Xi? Your obsession with Xi is just too strong.

In the end of the day, I just can't stand people like you who want reopening right away but still blame others for the deaths if things go south. If you want reopen now, then you should expect and accept the worst case scenario.
 

Petrolicious88

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In the end of the day, I just can't stand people like you who want reopening right away but still blame others for the deaths if things go south. If you want reopen now, then you should expect and accept the worst case scenario.
There you go trying to make it personal again. "In the end of the day", how you feel about others means less than diddy squat. Loosening some of the restrictions is the right thing to do; it's the first step towards eventual normalcy. That doesn't mean work is complete. How they prepare and manage events in the next few months matter. Why shouldn't authorities take responsibility if things go wrong/. Because I want reopening? loll
 
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