Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)


solarz

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Sorry not sure about Ontario. in Australia the number of confirmed positive flu cases was only about 21,000 in 2020 flu season. In year before that, it was about 313,000 cases and over 900 deaths. Based on wats reported to be diagnoses at GP and other medical facilities. That's a massive drop in cases right before and after covid pandemic.
I can get the travel ban and lockdown, Masking and social distancing helped reduced the cases somewhat but do you mean the rest of huge difference is just the people with flu but not diagnosed as flu during testing?

I don't know how things are done in Australia, but here in Ontario, when you get covid symptoms (aka flu symptoms), you are told to just stay home until you get better. So if nobody is going to their GP for flu-like symptoms, then they're obviously not going to be diagnosed with the flu.
 

InfamousMeow

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This is the second time I see you just laughing ("kek" to be exact) at a twitter post of negativity or suffering in China without any commentary, just kek. This is rather senseless. So much for your user name of "ILikeChina". It seems like you glee from any Covid-related negativities and sufferings from China, and only China. And for whatever love/like you pretend to have for China, it is only centered around your own fantasies and fetishes of China, any derailment from your desired model of what China should be results in grotesque amount of gloating, as if it is a sin to differ from your great Poland, deserving punishment and your tasteless ridicule.

@Bltizo

Can someone drag this gentleman @ILikeChina off of his high horse and toss him away into some corner?
 

ILikeChina

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LOL this comment really goes to show how vapid and stupid you really are man. Data and economic performance of the past 2 years between China and Europe with a Poland included were not even close. Yet, you keep insisting and maintaining this non-reality based almost cultist like obsession with your fictionalized narrative. Bro, your country looks like it's next on the Russian menu for denazification you really ought to worry about your country, people, and family rather than us Chinese.
You have a meltdown and you're ranting out of topic, and I have not been answering out of topic questions and statements. Earlier in the topic, I have agreed that it was good policy when we didn't have the population vaccinated, and it had the results good 2021 economic performance for China, and easy to maintain lockdowns with slower spreader delta and first variants. Now you have rapidly expanding omicron and possibly new even more expanding new variants. So you have constant lockdowns with no words from Chinese government what will happen next. People don't know what to expect. Good luck planning sth in that kind of environment.
And you do this with omicron which data from Hongkong shown that's its almost a flu for unvaccinated 1-50 years old, and 1-70 for vaccinated.
 

Bltizo

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This is the second time I see you just laughing ("kek" to be exact) at a twitter post of negativity or suffering in China without any commentary, just kek. This is rather senseless. So much for your user name of "ILikeChina". It seems like you glee from any Covid-related negativities and sufferings from China, and only China. And for whatever love/like you pretend to have for China, it is only centered around your own fantasies and fetishes of China, any derailment from your desired model of what China should be results in grotesque amount of gloating, as if it is a sin to differ from your great Poland, deserving punishment and your tasteless ridicule.

@Bltizo

Can someone drag this gentleman @ILikeChina off of his high horse and toss him away into some corner?

This is getting ridiculous now.

@ILikeChina, your style of posting on this topic is indeed now no longer constructive and arguably actively aggravating and trying to get a rise out of other users here. It would be fair to say that it meets the threshold definition for trolling.

One month ban, permanent on next event.
 

Strangelove

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Doctor and nurse suicides in US are pretty high...


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GT Investigates: US failure in epidemic control drives burnout among medics in two-year COVID battle

By GT staff reporters Published: May 14, 2022 12:43 PM

Editor's note:

Western countries, one by one, have scrapped their COVID-19 restrictions and purported to be ready to "return to normalcy." Yet as the coronavirus continues to mutate, from the deadly Delta variant to the more contagious, milder Omicron variant, what can such a rush to re-open really bring to the West in the post-pandemic era? After analyzing data and talking to epidemiologists, the Global Times conducted a series of investigative reports into what consequences vulnerable groups, including the elderly, minorities and children would bear when their countries ease COVID-19 restrictions, and what impact such moves would wreak on their medical systems. This is the third installment, looking into the shocking impact of the US' easing of anti-epidemic restrictions on their frontline heroes - healthcare workers.

White flags honoring the lives lost to COVID-19 are seen on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., the United States, on Oct. 2, 2021.(Photo: Xinhua)

White flags honoring the lives lost to COVID-19 are seen on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., the United States, on Oct. 2, 2021.(Photo: Xinhua)

Mendy, a Virginia-based healthcare worker who has been working in the sector for 22 years, has to work long hours and she said the COVID-19 pandemic has "wrecked havoc in the medical field."

When she talked with the Global Times via social media, she said that on many days, medical staff work without proper personal protective equipment, and they have to work very long hours - 12 to 16 hours a day and sometimes seven days a week. "We are always short staffed, we miss lunch and go for hours without a chance to use the bathroom," she said.

While US President Joe Biden mourned 1 million American deaths from COVID-19 on Thursday, the US has been facing a crisis of burnout among healthcare workers like Mendy. And American healthcare workers who had been fighting the pandemic at the frontline have also become one the most vulnerable groups along with the elderly population. About 3,600 healthcare workers died in 2020, NBC reported on May 6, citing a Guardian and Kaiser Health News investigation.

The pandemic may have a long-lasting impact, as some healthcare workers described it as "long COVID" for healthcare professionals.

1 Million Graphic: Chen He/GT

1 Million Graphic: Chen He/GT


Burden on American medics

With Omicron infections showing milder symptoms, some experts have considered coexistence with the virus. Some industry lobbying groups also urged relaxation of the mask mandate in public places like on the flights. But the new variant is not that mild, even though the hospitalization rate trended downward in early 2022. Omicron set records for COVID infections in the US, causing a sharp increase in hospitalizations among youngsters.

And the average number of hospitalized patients with confirmed COVID-19 is up 44 percent from a mid-April low, the Wall Street Journal reported on Monday, citing federal data. Some places that have avoided the worst of the pandemic, including Puerto Rico and Northern New England states, are coping with elevated cases and hospitalizations as the latest highly contagious iterations of the virus circulate, the WSJ said.

"Frontline medical workers are exhausted and burned out," Eric Ding from the Federation of American Scientists told the Global Times. He noted that he hopes there will be more care given to airborne risk in buildings via ventilation and air disinfection.

In addition to the long working hours and growing stress, the medical workers' pay rates do not reflect the rising inflation in the country, Mendy told the Global Times. As she worked at a long-term care facility offering medical-surgical nursing, a COVID unit and an assisted living facility, she said she had seen many of her coworkers quit, change their careers or retire early.

"It's because the job had become too physically and mentally draining," she said.

As Omicron peaked, the US healthcare system has been "left broken beyond repair," the Guardian said in an article in February. An emergency physician in the San Francisco Bay Area, who recently polled a group of doctors on an overnight shift about their jobs, said that the ripple effects of the virus, such as its impact on patients needing care for other issues, continue to test the limits of the US healthcare system and its providers despite an overall decreased hospitalization rate.

A recent survey from Elsevier Health - a provider of information solutions for science, health and technology professionals - showed that up to 47 percent of US healthcare workers plan to leave their positions by 2025. And experts at the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC) shared a similar estimation, saying that the US will come up short on physicians within just a dozen years, by somewhere between 37,800 and 124,000 doctors.

By one calculation, that is the number of US physicians in direct care who left the workforce between the start of 2019 and the fall of 2021, even before the Omicron wave slammed intensive care units and left too many doctors feeling desperate amid a "pandemic of mistrust," AAMC said on May 4.

A different strategy

American healthcare workers have been facing tremendous stress because the overall anti-epidemic strategy in the US is a mitigation policy, rather than an elimination policy, to curb the peak of the transmission but the hospitalization rate for the past two years remained high, Chen Xi, an associated professor of public health at Yale University, told the Global Times.

"Although the hospitalization rates have recently dropped, the overall rates over the past two years remain very high, which means the medical staff have been working under stress and have been exposed to the risk of getting infected, which is why many of them have left their positions," Chen said.

In the initial phases of the COVID-19 pandemic, many US hospitals could not provide an adequate supply of beds to meet the demand and the burgeoning Omicron variant is already overwhelming US hospitals because of high rates of hospitalization, Washington DC-based healthcare publication Health Affairs said in an article in February. When looked at globally, the US has relatively low numbers of hospital beds, with only 2.8 beds per thousand people compared to 8.0 beds per thousand people in Germany, according to the publication.

According to China's health authorities, China's number of hospital beds per thousand people increased from 6.30 in 2019 to 6.46 in 2020, but this is still behind some developed countries.

Liang Wannian, head of the COVID-19 response expert panel under the National Health Commission (NHC), told a press conference on April 29 that as China has an unbalanced regional spread of population and a lack of medical resources in some areas, a strategy of coexisting with the virus would put too much pressure on medical resources, posing a serious threat to those with underlying diseases, elderly groups, children and pregnant women.

Chinese authorities, in accordance with the country's dynamic zero-COVID strategy, recently updated the COVID-19 treatment playbook to reduce the burden on Chinese medical workers. For example, mild cases are isolated rather than being taken to hospital, which can avoid hospitals becoming overwhelmed.

As the virus variant continues spreading in the US, the hospitalization rate will increase, highlighting the shortage of medical staff, Chen noted. "In the next phase, the medical workers in the US will still be under a lot of stress," he said.
 

Han Patriot

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The cases in US is averaging 100k a day and 300-500 deaths. Assuming CDC is right that this variant will spread to 200mil Americans, the and multiplying the death rate at 200 mil x 0.3% = 600k dead by end of 2022. CDC forecasts 200k death by end of 2022. This is not even taking into account future mutation. I still remember US laughing at the Wuhan lockdown. China basically controlled this Shanghai outbreak in 35 days, my area is open since 5th May and now the remaining areas are mostly red areas. By locking down for 35 days we prevented 1.4 mil deaths, my figure was roughly inline with the Chinese lancet paper.
 

SanWenYu

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One more big sport event in China cancelled due to covid. China has decided to not to host the Asian Cup 2023. It was scheduled to take place in ten Chinese cities from June 16 to July 16 next year.

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2023年亚足联亚洲杯原定于2023年6月16日至7月16日在中国举行。受疫情影响,中国组委会当前难以对明年的亚洲杯按完全开放模式办赛作出承诺和安排。经亚足联、中国足协和2023年亚洲杯中国组委会共同商议后决定,本届亚洲杯足球赛将易地举办。新的比赛地点将尽快确认。


在此,我们对亚足联、各承办城市和社会各界对前期亚洲杯筹备工作的大力支持表示衷心的感谢!


2023年亚洲杯中国组委会​

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