Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

daifo

Captain
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There isn no evidence that covid disappears anytime soon. Just gotta accept that lot of people will die yearly basis or continue to pretend it goes away by using lockdowns or vaccines... it's clear that eventually countries handle it same way as they do with flu.

Is China really prepared to continue zero covid for decades?
Death rate for the FLU is a whole lower like 0.10% and it happens once a year. Each version of the covid vairant seems to cull 1-2% of infected and there has been 2 big variant in less than 1 year.

YOLO in US has cost much in $ and lives. Some suspect that there will also be a huge cost when complications of covid causes other serious issue in older age since it causes damage to various organs.
 

daifo

Captain
Registered Member
Success means failure. China is wrong to be so successful in containing the covid because it makes the West looks bad. Please give up Zero-covid so the West can claim victory as being the better system to handle pandemic.
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I feel that 90% of what the general west/west media advice for China is a trap these days...
 

KYli

Brigadier
There isn no evidence that covid disappears anytime soon. Just gotta accept that lot of people will die yearly basis or continue to pretend it goes away by using lockdowns or vaccines... it's clear that eventually countries handle it same way as they do with flu.

Is China really prepared to continue zero covid for decades?
If not due to some countries decided to give up so easily and pursue living with covid, then we would have been much better shape now. Anyway, China never said that it wanted to continue zero covid forever. Most Chinese experts are assessing daily to see if China could cope with covid if China decided to end zero-tolerance policy. Obvious, it is just not there yet. As for when, I believe China would make a scientific choice not a political choice that would balance society, economy, science and well being of Chinese. The decision should not be hastily made and not made lightly.

There is never gonna be 100% protection.

Either countries accept that covid is another flu and deal it same way or they continue lockdowns for eternity and destroy their socities in the process.
If only if covid is another flu. However, covid isn't another flu. Even after all the vaccinations, prior infections, weaken variant and new treatments, covid is still killing thousands of people each day in the US. Even if this wave receded within a few weeks, we are looking around 300,000 deaths this year. Beside, flu wouldn't cause the collapse of the hospital system. How many surgeries have been postponed to make room for covid. How many doctors and nurses just got exhausted and wanted to quit. No, covid is still not flu yet and you can't treat it like a flu.
 

supersnoop

Major
Registered Member
Delusional.

Chinese society is in far better shape thanks to zero covid than Western societies with their intermittent lockdowns.

It’s just a matter of the societal tolerance at this point. In the US, every thing is open, stadiums are packed, etc.

Maybe 1000’s or deaths a day is too much for some societies, but Americans are fine with life as it is.
 

gadgetcool5

Senior Member
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China's zero covid policy is absolutely correct, but even if Omicron is somehow suppressed, it can't be kept up forever. I would say give it another nine months to a year. The government should be looking at off-ramps already.
 

Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
Registered Member
It’s just a matter of the societal tolerance at this point. In the US, every thing is open, stadiums are packed, etc.

Maybe 1000’s or deaths a day is too much for some societies, but Americans are fine with life as it is.
Are you now trying to argue that it should be fine for China to accept the death of it's citizens in the thousands per day to who's benefit? And who's demanding such a retarded plan? Would we be saying this to ourselves if the U.S. and the west weren't experiencing a boatload of cases and a truck full of dead people a day and China is the sole country experiencing the U.S. cases?

Come on bro, you and I know the answer to these questions. Western countries would be celebrating and dancing metaphorically by boasting how "Democracies" are the best in handling the pandemic just as they had stated to tell themselves prior to Europe and America awashed with Covid-19 cases and death. How it assumed erroneously that whatever measures the Chinese government were doing was evil, draconian, and self-defeating. It practically begged the Chinese people to rise up against the See See Pee.

We would be having a daily white house briefing counting or tallying the cases and deaths in China pretending that America actually cares about the Chinese people by issuing a couple of statements that are nothing more than just empty feel good rhetoric with each and every statement ending with "God bless America and may God bless the people of China that are suffering from the callous disregard for human lives by it's own criminal government the See See Pee."

There would be enormous and successful calls for massive economic boycott, not just call for UN/WHO investigation but essentially will call for a change in government a.k.a. regime change. The situation am describing are not far fetch if the level of cases in China were to have been the same with the U.S.

It is very unfortunate for the west led by America that such tragedy didn't occur because that would have been a tragedy of monumental proportions for China and the Chinese people. Thats why I firmly salute all the heroic efforts that all Chinese people made and did to ensure that their country and government remains firmly in their hands and not with the hanjians, the Wang Jingweis, and certainly not with America.

China must do what it's best for her people and China. Who gives a flying bleep what the west demand or think of her when at the end of the day, the west don't want what's best for China anyway.

If it's fine for America and the west to let freedom ring for Covid-19 to reign free let them. China couldn't care less. It's unfortunate, sad, and tragic for the strongest country in the world that is America to basically surrender and let it's people die but it's their call and choice.
 
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