Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)


Overbom

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mRNA vaccine is no guarantee you can resume things as usual. TBH I think they are massively overhyped.
China has already vaccinated most of its population.
I think vaccines (regardless of tech) coupled with pills who can prevent hospitalization/symptoms is the best strategy

From my understanding these pills are on the end of the trials and in a few months will be approved for wider usage
 

Phead128

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I think vaccines (regardless of tech) coupled with pills who can prevent hospitalization/symptoms is the best strategy

From my understanding these pills are on the end of the trials and in a few months will be approved for wider usage
I agree with Anti-viral pills and mRNA boosters combo.

Chinese propaganda dept. will have an uphill battle to change the deeply ingrained fear of COVID without some "game-changing" tech like Anti-viral pills or mRNA boosters. It's psychological at this point , as deaths will still occur even with anti-viral pills and mRNA boosters, no technology offers 100% protection.

Preferably it's all indigenous localized Chinese technology, we don't want to worship Western tech (e.g. imported Pfizer) anymore. China can afford to wait a fill more months to get indigenous tech... it's economy can tolerate it in the short-term.
 
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Overbom

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What if the omicron displaces the delta variant which is more damaging?
We aee still early days, but from what I have heard, the Rt of the Omicron variant is much more than the Rt of Delta which means that Omicron will eventually displace Delta

This is just my opinion, we obviously need more data. 1 more month should be enough to draw some conclusions
 

ansy1968

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We aee still early days, but from what I have heard, the Rt of the Omicron variant is much more than the Rt of Delta which means that Omicron will eventually displace Delta

This is just my opinion, we obviously need more data. 1 more month should be enough to draw some conclusions
@Overbom bro again I don't have any medical background , so take my opinion with a huge grain of salt. BUT I can see the light on the end of the tunnel regarding this pandemic, on my previous post I had said that new covid mutation maybe infectious but the lethality is less than the original, this new mutation and many more that will follow will make Covid more like a common flu. As more people are vaccinated the mutation happen on the unvaccinated one, and from the advise I get from my doctor friend the danger from omicron variant is all hype, it was infectious YES, BUT not deadly and for him this latest mutation is a proof that the virus is on the wane and had run its course.
 

Overbom

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@Overbom bro again I don't have any medical background , so take my opinion with a huge grain of salt. BUT I can see the light on the end of the tunnel regarding this pandemic, on my previous post I had said that new covid mutation maybe infectious but the lethality is less than the original, this new mutation and many more that will follow will make Covid more like a common flu. As more people are vaccinated the mutation happen on the unvaccinated one, and from the advise I get from my doctor friend the danger from omicron variant is all hype, it was infectious YES, BUT not deadly and for him this latest mutation is a proof that the virus is on the wane and had run its course.
There is a misconception that as time passes viruses get less lethal with each variant. This is wrong

Highly lethal viruses usually mutate towards less lethality, true. But after that, it can mutate to even less lethality or more lethality

We already have the Spanish Flu example where the first wave was relatively "mild" and the following waves caused a lot more deaths than the first wave

Last I heard, the Omicron Variant is much better than the Delta variant on evading the immune system. This means that all these vaccines(mostly mRNA), are going to be a lot less effective at detecting the virus and eliminating before spreading throughout the whole body

As for the vaccines I presumably think its mostly about mRNA vaccines. If you check the released image of the Omicron variant mutations, it is an abomination. The mRNA vaccines which were targetting only one specific region of the virus, are going to be in big trouble at dealing with it

I will also note that I haven't heard anything about if the inactivated virus vaccines are going to be effective or not. My guess is that they will be ok (definetely better than the mRNA vaccines)

Final point that I want to emphasise. As time passes there is no guarantee that the virus will get less lethal. In fact it could also become more lethal


Here is a very good Twitter thread explaining all this

And here is a very good graph showing the difference between Omicron and Delta variant
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