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KYli

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I am doubtful China has any plans to relax the methods of containment or change the message anytime soon. Zhong Nanshan has already said that it required at least 83% vaccination rate to achieve herd immunity against Delta variant and he also wanted a booster shot for the elderly and immunocompromised. In addition, Chinese vaccines companies are actively developing vaccines for variants.
 

supersnoop

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Actually I have read last year that the Chinese in Italy are the least infected with Covid compared to the general populace in Northern Italy.

Furthermore the European strain of Covid virus is different from the China strain.
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The problem (to me) is this conclusion:
It is thus very likely that a number of infected people, both directly from China and also through other countries, entered Lombardy in that period
Yet in the study itself it shows that it is the “B” strain circulating in Italy vs. The “A” strain in Wuhan.

Here is a news article about the study that raises the same questions I have

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supersnoop

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I am doubtful China has any plans to relax the methods of containment or change the message anytime soon. Zhong Nanshan has already said that it required at least 83% vaccination rate to achieve herd immunity against Delta variant and he also wanted a booster shot for the elderly and immunocompromised. In addition, Chinese vaccines companies are actively developing vaccines for variants.
We know for sure that 60% is not nearly enough from Israel. mRNA vaccines or not…

I’m surprised that the news is not being more reassuring. They continue to push Israel as some kind of a peerless vaccine leader, but 60% after the head start they had is not high at all… even Canada is ahead at this point
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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We need to get at least 70% population coverage of vaccines ~roughly 1.1 billion people or 2.1 billion doses (assuming 100 million dose of single-shot cansino) before we should go about relaxing "hard" control methods. Considering we just reached 1.7 billion shots administered that's 400 million to go, or the space of roughly 30 days at current rates. Add to that the 15 days after second booster before immunization kicks in, I expect the government to change messaging to "living with the virus" around mid-September. Keeping up current containment efforts will be alot easier once we reach the 70% immunization rate. Just look at the difference in the delta outbreak between Canada (65% vaccinated) and US (50% vaccinated), its night and day.

China is now in the 7-8th inning, we only need to maintain hard containment for a short while longer. Also by September we should have Walvax (mrna) and SCB2019 (trimer-protein) phase III readouts. Hopefully the booster shots in China can be using the second-generation vs still the inactivated vaccines at that point.
The Chinese already indicated that the they will keep the lockdown until next year. So I don’t think they will change the messaging that quickly unless they want to get outed by the populace. Plus, I don’t think the Chinese will rush the mRNA vaccines like the US did. Based on the Chinese news reports on the ongoing R&D of the mRNA vaccines, I believe that they will make sure that the mRNA vaccines can be administered and produced with little difficulty like what happened to Sinovac, Sinopharm and Cansino’s vaccines.

Also, presently, we don’t have an official study on how widespread long haul damage is among infected unvaccinated and vaccinated people. However there have been talks of categorizing those with long haul symptoms under the disabled category in the US. If that ends up happening and a lot of formerly infected people ended up having long haul symptoms, a heavy financial burden will be placed upon the nation, and the economy will truly be crippled. Knowing how cautious the Chinese government is and their culture, they will view that with absolute seriousness and make it mandatory for the mRNA vaccine researchers and companies to do everything they can to minimize the potential long haul damage, and they will most likely set up programs to help those unfortunate enough to suffer from those symptoms. Until then, I don’t think the Chinese will lift the lockdown until Spring 2022 at minimum.
 

KYli

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China's Sinovac will submit an application in several countries for clinical research and emergency use on vaccines targeting the Gamma and Delta variants, Sinovac CEO, Yin Weidong, said on Thursday during
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ines hosted by Chinese State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi.

The Global Times learned that the vaccines mentioned by Yin would be new products, different from the CoronaVac shot currently available in the market, and are especially designed for specific variants.

The new products, if successfully developed and approved in other countries, would be supplied depending on the dominating local variant, the Global Times learned.

Yin noted during Thursday's forum that Sinovac is able to produce different kinds of vaccines targeting different variants, according to a document shared by the company with the Global Times.

Yin said that Sinovac has also finished research on booster shots of CoronaVac, which shows that booster shots can quickly increase the level of neutralizing antibodies within one week. The results would soon be published on Science

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