Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Hadoren

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More paper written by this Baric guy. This time it is written in 2016 and collaboration with some authors.
So these people studied a coronavirus from Chinese horseshoe bats, they mixed and match the genome of this virus with other known viruses such as the SARS1 virus to prove that it might have a pathogenic potential before nature can do it and even thanked Dr. Zhengli-Li Shi of the Wuhan Institute of Virology for access to bat CoV sequences and plasmid of WIV1-CoV spike protein.

Do we still have to believe that this covid virus is from natural origins?


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A study led by researchers at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill found that a SARS-like virus known as WIV1-CoV, which is found in horseshoe bats, could bind to the same receptors as SARS-CoV and replicate in human cells without the need for adaptation. Thought to be a critical barrier, the results indicate that bat populations maintain SARS-like viruses poised to reemerge in humans.

The study, titled “
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The discovery of SARS-like virus clusters that bridge the gap between the epidemic strains and related precursor CoV strain HKU3 virus provided the best evidence for emergence of SARS-CoV from Chinese horseshoe bats (
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). Comparing the receptor binding domain (RBD), SARS-CoV Urbani and WIV1 share homology at 11 of the 14 contact residues with human ACE2 (
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); importantly, the three amino acid changes represent relatively conservative substitution not predicted to ablate binding (
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). Therefore, exploring WIV1 strains allows examination of emergence, pathogenesis potential, and adaptation requirements. Using the SARS-CoV infectious clone as a template (
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), we designed and synthesized a full-length infectious clone of WIV1-CoV consisting of six plasmids that could be enzymatically cut, ligated together, and electroporated into cells to rescue replication competent progeny virions (
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). In addition to the full-length clone, we also produced WIV1-CoV chimeric virus that replaced the SARS spike with the WIV1 spike within the mouse-adapted backbone (WIV1-MA15,
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. WIV1-MA15 incorporates the original binding and entry capabilities of WIV1-CoV, but maintains the backbone changes to mouse-adapted SARS-CoV. Importantly, WIV1-MA15 does not incorporate the Y436H mutation in spike that is required for SARS-MA15 pathogenesis (
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). Following electroporation into Vero cells, robust stock titers were recovered from both chimeric WIV1-MA15 and WIV1-CoV. To confirm growth kinetics and replication, Vero cells were infected with SARS-CoV Urbani, WIV1-MA15, and WIV1-CoV (
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); the results indicate similar replication kinetics and overall titers between the CoVs. However, Western blot analysis suggests potential differences in spike cleavage/processing of WIV1 and SARS-CoV spike proteins (
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); the ratio of full-length to cleaved spike varied between SARS spikes (Urbani, 1.21; MA15, 1.44) and WIV1 (full length, 0.61; WIV1-MA15, 0.25) signaling possible variation in host proteolytic processing (
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). Overall, the results indicate comparable viral replication, but possible biochemical differences in processing.


WIV1-CoV in Human ACE2 Expressing Mice.

Whereas studies in wild-type mice provide insight into pathogenesis potential, the absence of clinical disease in the epidemic strains of SARS-CoV suggests that the mouse model may not be adequate to access human disease potential. To test a model more relevant to humans, we generated a mouse that expresses human ACE2 receptor under control of HFH4, a lung ciliated epithelial cell promoter (
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A number of factors may contribute to reduced mouse pathogenesis observed following WIV1-CoV spike-mediated infection. In the context of both the SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV outbreaks, focus had been primarily directed to spike binding as the key component of emergence and pandemic potential. Supported by adaption at Y436H in mouse-adapted SARS spike (
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), improved binding to host receptor cannot be discounted as a crucial component in emergence. This fact is supported by improved replication of WIV1-CoV in mice expressing human ACE2 compared with control (
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versus
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). However, in vivo attenuation of WIV1-CoV relative to SARS-CoV Urbani despite efficient infection in primary human airway cultures suggests that additional factors contribute to epidemic emergence. One possibility is that adaptation outside of spike protein may lead to emergence via altered host–virus interactions.
The fundamental flaw in the lab leak conspiracy theory is the lack of a lab outbreak.

Let's take a look at a map of the earliest cases. This can be found in Page 44 of the
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COVID First Cases V1.png
We clearly see that the outbreak starts in the western half of Wuhan, with the river acting as a geographical barrier. The Wuhan Institute of Virology is located distantly across the river, in the eastern half of the city.

If there was a lab leak, the initial outbreak would be on the left, centered around the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Instead it's on the right. The map is the opposite of what we would expect from a lab leak.
 

Xizor

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The fundamental flaw in the lab leak conspiracy theory is the lack of a lab outbreak.

Let's take a look at a map of the earliest cases. This can be found in Page 44 of the
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View attachment 73445
We clearly see that the outbreak starts in the western half of Wuhan, with the river acting as a geographical barrier. The Wuhan Institute of Virology is located distantly across the river, in the eastern half of the city.

If there was a lab leak, the initial outbreak would be on the left, centered around the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Instead it's on the right. The map is the opposite of what we would expect from a lab leak.
Yes. I checked the Wuhan Lab locations an year ago, that's a good argument back then as well as it is now.

But the proponents of the lab theory says that it was released from the lab, then infected an animal and then resurfaced in the wet market. The proponents try to do a strawman by wondering about what the animal could've been - a civet, a rodent etc ( quite sneaky right there because guessing about the animals means one have to assume that Wuhan leak is real).

I'm fully ready to accept the lab leak theory but I want Fort Detrick to be verified in equal intensity as well as reasons for antibodies appearing in samples in US and EU late 2019.

It takes some experience to smell the craftiness in some reporting. The editorial wizardry deserves a Houdini award.
 

SimaQian

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No, it is not a lab leak, it is an intentional bio attack of US to China. It is one of those plausable deniability events the Americans have perfected in killing people.

1.) The motive is very well written by american science people.
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2.) The methods of how to weaponize, synthesized coronavirus is written by the same people who wrote the motives. They published even the results.
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3.) If it was a natural origin, the intermediate animal host that might have hosted the covid virus to have the necessary mutation so that the virus will be transmittable to humans cannot be found after 1.5 years of intense scrutiny.

4.) The circumstantial evidences appeared on very suspicious coincidences. Summarized by this article

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(1) For three years, China had been locked in growing conflict with America over trade and geopolitics, and for three years in a row, China had been hit very hard by mysterious viruses. An Avian Flu virus severely damaged its poultry industry in 2018 and the following year a Swine Flu virus destroyed over 40% of its pig herds, China’s primary meat source. The third year, Covid-19 appeared. Certainly a suspicious pattern if the last were just a random lab-leak.

(2) The Covid-19 outbreak appeared at absolutely the worst time and place for China, the major transit hub of Wuhan, timed almost perfectly to reach high local levels of infection just as the travelers for the Lunar New Year holiday spread the disease to all other parts of the country, thereby producing an unstoppable epidemic. The timing of an accidental lab-leak would obviously be random.

(3) 300 American military servicemen had just visited Wuhan as part of the World Military Games, providing a perfect opportunity for releasing a viral bioweapon. Consider what Americans would think if 300 Chinese military officers had visited Chicago, and immediately afterwards a mysterious, deadly viral disease suddenly broke out in that city. It would be a strange coincidence if that the American military visit and an entirely unrelated accidental lab-leak had occurred at exactly the same time.

(4) The characteristics of Covid-19, including high communicability and low lethality, are absolutely ideal in an anti-economy bioweapon. It seems odd that a random lab-leak would release a virus so perfectly designed to severely damage the Chinese economy.

(5) From almost the very moment that the outbreak began, anti-China bloggers in America and the US-funded Radio Free Asia network had launched a powerful international propaganda offensive against China, claiming that the outbreak in Wuhan was due to the leak of an illegal bioweapon from the Wuhan lab. This may have merely been an exceptionally prompt but opportunistic response of our propaganda organs, but they seemed remarkably quick to take full advantage of an entirely unexpected and mysterious development, which they immediately identified as being due to a lab-leak.

(6) By “the second week of November” our Defense Intelligence Agency had already begun preparing a secret report warning of a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak in Wuhan although according to the standard timeline at that point probably only a couple of dozen people had started experiencing any symptoms of illness in a city of 11 million. How did they discover what was happening in Wuhan so much sooner than the Chinese government or anyone else?

(7) Almost immediately afterwards, the ruling political elites in Iran became severely infected, with many of them dying. Why did the accidental Wuhan lab-leak jump to the Iran’s political elites so quickly, before it had reached almost anywhere else in the world.

5.) A highly correlated twitter post appeared connecting the dots and one of the characters is already dead and by reports it was a "heart attack".

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On August 10, 2020 a twitter user by the name of Samantha Hill, who claimed to have worked at Detrick Laboratory lab, posted a long tweet and exposed the shocking and unknown details about the lab. After a long research, I found out a clear sreenshot, the beginning of Samantha Hill’s tweet.

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I’ll further summarize this long tweet in time order, together with some facts already known to us:

1. In 2015, Professor Ralph S. Baric funded Chinese scientist Shi Zhengli to help her locate the gene variation fragments for transmitting SARS called SHC014. Baric then synthesized it into a new type of virus at the Fort Detrick laboratory which is the COVID-19 today.

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2. Professor Frank Plummer, friend of Ralph S. Baric and supervisor of Samantha Hill, had been against the experiment, since it went against scientific ethics.

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3. In May 2019, there was a leak in the lab, but the lab wasn’t aware of it until local residents had gotten infected, which was monitored by the U.S. CDC in July 2019.


4. In July 2019, the CDC shut down the Fort Detrick lab due to the violation of biosafety rules, such as leaks caused by its wastewater decontamination system. But the U.S. CDC inspection report was heavily redacted due to “national security reasons”.


5. The CIA withheld the pre-warning of the virus, since Professor Baric believed it would not do huge damage to Caucasians in America on account of different AC2 distributions in different races.


6. In August 2019, two kinds of virus, rampant influenza and COVID-19, started to spread at the same time in South America, killing more than 10,000 people;


7. In December 2019, a sailor who was infected by the virus, happened to seal the virus in packages of the seafood which was transported to Wuhan.


8. In December 2019, pneumonia of undetermined origin was detected in the Wuhan Huanan Seafood Market, China;

9. Professor Frank Plummer chose to cooperate with Chinese scientists to fight the spread of the virus. But, he was killed when flying from Kenya to China on February 5, 2020.

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10. In March 2020, the U.S. CDC restored Fort Detrick lab to full capacity.

11. On March 10, 2020, a netizen launched a petition on the White House petition website, hoping for a reasonable explanation for the closure of the Fort Detrick lab and the outbreak of the novel coronavirus.


6.) The only thing that is lacking now is the physical evidence. If this twitter post is true,
then the most obvious place and people to start investigate is in Detrick Lab and the people connected to this Ralph Baric.
 

Xizor

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No, it is not a lab leak, it is an intentional bio attack of US to China. It is one of those plausable deniability events the Americans have perfected in killing people.

1.) The motive is very well written by american science people.
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2.) The methods of how to weaponize, synthesized coronavirus is written by the same people who wrote the motives. They published even the results.
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3.) If it was a natural origin, the intermediate animal host that might have hosted the covid virus to have the necessary mutation so that the virus will be transmittable to humans cannot be found after 1.5 years of intense scrutiny.

4.) The circumstantial evidences appeared on very suspicious coincidences. Summarized by this article

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(1) For three years, China had been locked in growing conflict with America over trade and geopolitics, and for three years in a row, China had been hit very hard by mysterious viruses. An Avian Flu virus severely damaged its poultry industry in 2018 and the following year a Swine Flu virus destroyed over 40% of its pig herds, China’s primary meat source. The third year, Covid-19 appeared. Certainly a suspicious pattern if the last were just a random lab-leak.

(2) The Covid-19 outbreak appeared at absolutely the worst time and place for China, the major transit hub of Wuhan, timed almost perfectly to reach high local levels of infection just as the travelers for the Lunar New Year holiday spread the disease to all other parts of the country, thereby producing an unstoppable epidemic. The timing of an accidental lab-leak would obviously be random.

(3) 300 American military servicemen had just visited Wuhan as part of the World Military Games, providing a perfect opportunity for releasing a viral bioweapon. Consider what Americans would think if 300 Chinese military officers had visited Chicago, and immediately afterwards a mysterious, deadly viral disease suddenly broke out in that city. It would be a strange coincidence if that the American military visit and an entirely unrelated accidental lab-leak had occurred at exactly the same time.

(4) The characteristics of Covid-19, including high communicability and low lethality, are absolutely ideal in an anti-economy bioweapon. It seems odd that a random lab-leak would release a virus so perfectly designed to severely damage the Chinese economy.

(5) From almost the very moment that the outbreak began, anti-China bloggers in America and the US-funded Radio Free Asia network had launched a powerful international propaganda offensive against China, claiming that the outbreak in Wuhan was due to the leak of an illegal bioweapon from the Wuhan lab. This may have merely been an exceptionally prompt but opportunistic response of our propaganda organs, but they seemed remarkably quick to take full advantage of an entirely unexpected and mysterious development, which they immediately identified as being due to a lab-leak.

(6) By “the second week of November” our Defense Intelligence Agency had already begun preparing a secret report warning of a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak in Wuhan although according to the standard timeline at that point probably only a couple of dozen people had started experiencing any symptoms of illness in a city of 11 million. How did they discover what was happening in Wuhan so much sooner than the Chinese government or anyone else?

(7) Almost immediately afterwards, the ruling political elites in Iran became severely infected, with many of them dying. Why did the accidental Wuhan lab-leak jump to the Iran’s political elites so quickly, before it had reached almost anywhere else in the world.

5.) A highly correlated twitter post appeared connecting the dots and one of the characters is already dead and by reports it was a "heart attack".

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On August 10, 2020 a twitter user by the name of Samantha Hill, who claimed to have worked at Detrick Laboratory lab, posted a long tweet and exposed the shocking and unknown details about the lab. After a long research, I found out a clear sreenshot, the beginning of Samantha Hill’s tweet.

main-qimg-012c884feedfaa95452f55dcb5c2d641

I’ll further summarize this long tweet in time order, together with some facts already known to us:

1. In 2015, Professor Ralph S. Baric funded Chinese scientist Shi Zhengli to help her locate the gene variation fragments for transmitting SARS called SHC014. Baric then synthesized it into a new type of virus at the Fort Detrick laboratory which is the COVID-19 today.

main-qimg-079aeaa307286da7307a641a0551fbfe

2. Professor Frank Plummer, friend of Ralph S. Baric and supervisor of Samantha Hill, had been against the experiment, since it went against scientific ethics.

main-qimg-86370a1042b14f6bc8ce6a1f653e8877

3. In May 2019, there was a leak in the lab, but the lab wasn’t aware of it until local residents had gotten infected, which was monitored by the U.S. CDC in July 2019.


4. In July 2019, the CDC shut down the Fort Detrick lab due to the violation of biosafety rules, such as leaks caused by its wastewater decontamination system. But the U.S. CDC inspection report was heavily redacted due to “national security reasons”.


5. The CIA withheld the pre-warning of the virus, since Professor Baric believed it would not do huge damage to Caucasians in America on account of different AC2 distributions in different races.


6. In August 2019, two kinds of virus, rampant influenza and COVID-19, started to spread at the same time in South America, killing more than 10,000 people;


7. In December 2019, a sailor who was infected by the virus, happened to seal the virus in packages of the seafood which was transported to Wuhan.


8. In December 2019, pneumonia of undetermined origin was detected in the Wuhan Huanan Seafood Market, China;

9. Professor Frank Plummer chose to cooperate with Chinese scientists to fight the spread of the virus. But, he was killed when flying from Kenya to China on February 5, 2020.

main-qimg-071f0981a0ab71c1a48e5de9b51bf1e8


10. In March 2020, the U.S. CDC restored Fort Detrick lab to full capacity.

11. On March 10, 2020, a netizen launched a petition on the White House petition website, hoping for a reasonable explanation for the closure of the Fort Detrick lab and the outbreak of the novel coronavirus.


6.) The only thing that is lacking now is the physical evidence. If this twitter post is true,
then the most obvious place and people to start investigate is in Detrick Lab and the people connected to this Ralph Baric.
Its for situations like these that Chinese intelligence services must show their worth.

I don't know if what you posted is true. ( it's outrageous. Yet, in the world of intelligence and security, these are some of the least outrageous sounding.).

The Chinese intelligence must swoop down and find her and others linked to it maybe? Get her out of whatever country, take her testimony and give it to UN or other nations?

If not, then China is allowing itself to be dirtied.

Btw, the paper Co authored by Baric has an editorial note -

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Anyone really think the incumbent reigning hegemon was going to go down (or "allow" itself to be surpassed) without a fight? Anyone really think it was gonna play fair? Like at all? Given its history of actions in its ascension phrase does it really surprise anyone?

When it comes to geopolitics might is right and the only things or rules/laws it follows are those dictated by physics itself.... anything else goes....

Plausibly denialability is the name of the game here... US already engaged China in cold war, hybrid war, HK color revolution, princess kidnappings, attempted Plaza Accord 2.0 kneecapping, Quad alliance against China, tech war... does anyone surprise it would also involve convert forms of underhanded biowar and other things as well?
Indeed. But even then, the same way many in the forum doubt China deliberately released the virus ( because why would anyone release it in their own country?) or accidentally released it ( the Wuhan Lab was built in collab with the French. They say it's really unlikely to be a failure of lab security and safety)....


I doubt if US is that ham-headed and thick skulled to not see the virus spread to US itself eventually. Because the way they handled the initial news of outbreak in China and the way they mishandled the response (including shoddy international flight lockdown) points to three things -

( Assuming this was deliberately US manufactured and released) -

1. US was ignorant of the factor of international travel ( cruises and flights) bringing the virus back to US mainland and causing havoc. A massive FUBAR.

2. US was cognizant but decided to play dummy to the virus making its way back to US. They didn't care if it affected US populace or led to deaths at home.

There is some precedent to it. I wouldn't put it past them
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3.Much of US intelligence agencies and top brass were unaware of such an operation. The pandemic being the malicious action of a select few intelligence individuals that held almost cultist-malicious worldview / corporations ( Biotech Pharma) who did it for greed.

The third one screams "Deep State". I can't make a good conclusion with the available information
 
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SimaQian

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1. US was ignorant of the factor of international travel ( cruises and flights) bringing the virus back to US mainland and causing havoc. A massive FUBAR.

2. US was cognizant but decided to play dummy to the virus making its way back to US. They didn't care if it affected US populace or led to deaths at home


The fact that is possible to genetically engineer mosquitoes to be all male to eliminate entire mosquito populations
should suggest that it is possible to eliminate ANY population based on genetic markers.

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1.) The most likely case if the covid was really engineered, some scientists or dummy intelligence officials must have inserted genomes to affect only the Han(Chinese) genetic human race and hoping it will affect only the Han population or Asian population in general. This is highly speculation and I am still digging science articles about this.

2.) Remember Trump back in Jan to Feb 2020, not to worry the virus and even praised the Chinese efforts to contain the virus. It means somebody in the US government must have been feeding info to him not to worry. It is impossible it is just for him to come up with those conclusion.

3.) And then when a mutation in Italy exploded in Feb to Mar 2020, which very distinct with the original Wuhan virus, it appeared to be a blowback, that this virus can mutate and affect everybody. Then in march 2020, Trump took a u turn and start throwing all shit to China.
 

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@paullee

1. It's hard to recruit scientists with the resolve to allow or take part in such an operation ( especially when they know it is an ethno-virus and can harm anyone). Back during the Cold War, it was quite easy ( because the Americans of those times were much more brazen - very conservative, ideologically inclined - like people almost everywhere). I'm not saying they are fewer these days, I'm just saying that not as many are scientists or researchers. Most scientists and researchers are of different racio-cultural backgrounds these days. Wouldn't they object to any attempts to manufacture race specific weapons?

2. Even if they do recruit such people, the avenues for the whole setup to break apart is numerous. Human beings are complex. All that takes is a change of mind or some . More locations mean more humans and therefore more avenues of leaks and testimonies. This can even bring down governments and lead to massive unrest against US at both home and abroad. US can kiss its global reputation and support goodbye.
 
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