Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

HybridHypothesis

Junior Member
Registered Member
Why then didn't the laboratory have a COVID outbreak in December?

Let's assume that American intelligence isn't lying (lol). Let's also assume that there's a lab leak and they had COVID.

You now have three people with COVID running around for days in an indoor environment, where nobody's wearing masks. Given the way that COVID works, it is inevitable that this will lead a workplace outbreak.

By December or January, the laboratory will then have dozens hospitalized with COVID, as happened in the marketplace.

Why didn't that happen?
The strongest argument against the "new evidence" I posted is that it isnt new at all, but a rehash of what the State Department released in Jan. If the US truly intended to use this as leverage, then it is hard to explain what went on at Anchorage.

I think this issue will never be meaningfully resolved. The truth will only ever be known to a handful of insiders. We will have to judge what happened here by what didn't happen elsewhere.
 

KYli

Brigadier
The strongest argument against the "new evidence" I posted is that it isnt new at all, but a rehash of what the State Department released in Jan. If the US truly intended to use this as leverage, then it is hard to explain what went on at Anchorage.

I think this issue will never be meaningfully resolved. The truth will only ever be known to a handful of insiders. We will have to judge what happened here by what didn't happen elsewhere.
In Jan, the US is already trying to demonize China with the lab theory. Not sure about your logic. The lab conspiracy theory has been on going from the very beginning of pandemics. If they have proof, then the CIA and the State Department would have already released them. What we have here is now hearsay. Similar to the theory that since ten of millions of phones in China discontinued their service during the pandemic in China which the Western media spin it as a sign that ten of millions of Chinese have dead from covid.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

Senior Member
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
Registered Member
Why then didn't the laboratory have a COVID outbreak in December?

Let's assume that American intelligence isn't lying (lol). Let's also assume that there's a lab leak and they had COVID.

You now have three people with COVID running around for days in an indoor environment, where nobody's wearing masks. Given the way that COVID works, it is inevitable that this will lead a workplace outbreak.

By December or January, the laboratory will then have dozens hospitalized with COVID, as happened in the marketplace.

Why didn't that happen?
This is the same intelligence that said that they knew about a potential pandemic back in November (
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
).
Yet, they never acted on it or go after the Chinese during that time. In short, they are full of s**t and pumping out more s**t in order to keep up this "F**k China" high.
 

Skywatcher

Captain
Why then didn't the laboratory have a COVID outbreak in December?

Let's assume that American intelligence isn't lying (lol). Let's also assume that there's a lab leak and they had COVID.

You now have three people with COVID running around for days in an indoor environment, where nobody's wearing masks. Given the way that COVID works, it is inevitable that this will lead a workplace outbreak.

By December or January, the laboratory will then have dozens hospitalized with COVID, as happened in the marketplace.

Why didn't that happen?
Exactly!

(Actually COVID-19 should have been spreading by mid November around the WiV if the lab leak theory (at least from the WiV is true).

The Chinese authorities can't just magically cover that up (since they obviously wouldn't know what COVID-19 was back then).
 

Hadoren

Junior Member
Registered Member
Exactly!

(Actually COVID-19 should have been spreading by mid November around the WiV if the lab leak theory (at least from the WiV is true).

The Chinese authorities can't just magically cover that up (since they obviously wouldn't know what COVID-19 was back then).
Skywatcher, I completely agree with your agreement with me. :cool:

You have 3 people with COVID - indoors, no masks, 8/hours a day. And somehow nobody else at the laboratory is infected?

Let's be real. If 3 people have COVID indoors with no masks for hours every day, they're going to infect other people. Those others will infect others. In fact, it's probably a super-spreader event. This is how COVID works.

There would be dozens of laboratory employees hospitalized. There would be deaths. The laboratory would be shut down. This is what happened at the marketplace. This is what happens in every single indoor environment with COVID when nobody is wearing masks. None of this happened at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

The fundamental flaw in the lab leak conspiracy theory is the lack of a lab oubreak.
 

SimaQian

Junior Member
Registered Member
The lab leak theory will be mainstream soon, if it is not already. The only question is how China deals with it.


What is significant about Fauci's words here is not that he is backtracking on his previous statements, but that he had connections with the Wuhan institute.


Previously, his organization provided funding for the gain of function research in bat coronaviruses, along with Peter Daszak (the WHO investigator a few months back) and Ralph Baric (the pioneer of GOF research, important person in US bioweapons program)


My suspicion is that there was a silent agreement promote the natural origin theory among these people in order to save their own careers. Fauci may have been promised amnesty or something else in order to defect. Perhaps they may even pay him to lie!

Again, this is something that will not go away.

The connections between the WiV and America's own research may have been what was keeping the lid on this narrative for the past year. The US may have decided that China will not be able to sufficiently highlight the American role in this to matter.
There is a separate thread that the supermods dont want it to be discussed.
I wonder why the mods wanted to silence the discussion of this, where Fauci and company openly advance the lab leak theory. Will make noise until supermods reopen it.




Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!



I make a separate thread for this as this is a very controversial and sensitive topic.
There also a similar post in other thread in

Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)​

but can easily gets buried. There are some great minds in this forum, so it would be good
to solicit their inputs of this assertion.


An American physicist came up with a conclusion that this virus is an American bio attack on China. Even reposting this article on reddit and facebook ( I tried both of this will get this article blocked. This is a double post from another thread, so that more people will try to think rationally what is this covid is all about. Even if the first two arguments are purely coincidental, how to explain points 6 and 7?


Summary of that article.

(1) For three years, China had been locked in growing conflict with America over trade and geopolitics, and for three years in a row, China had been hit very hard by mysterious viruses. An Avian Flu virus severely damaged its poultry industry in 2018 and the following year a Swine Flu virus destroyed over 40% of its pig herds, China’s primary meat source. The third year, Covid-19 appeared. Certainly a suspicious pattern if the last were just a random lab-leak.

(2) The Covid-19 outbreak appeared at absolutely the worst time and place for China, the major transit hub of Wuhan, timed almost perfectly to reach high local levels of infection just as the travelers for the Lunar New Year holiday spread the disease to all other parts of the country, thereby producing an unstoppable epidemic. The timing of an accidental lab-leak would obviously be random.

(3) 300 American military servicemen had just visited Wuhan as part of the World Military Games, providing a perfect opportunity for releasing a viral bioweapon. Consider what Americans would think if 300 Chinese military officers had visited Chicago, and immediately afterwards a mysterious, deadly viral disease suddenly broke out in that city. It would be a strange coincidence if that the American military visit and an entirely unrelated accidental lab-leak had occurred at exactly the same time.

(4) The characteristics of Covid-19, including high communicability and low lethality, are absolutely ideal in an anti-economy bioweapon. It seems odd that a random lab-leak would release a virus so perfectly designed to severely damage the Chinese economy.

(5) From almost the very moment that the outbreak began, anti-China bloggers in America and the US-funded Radio Free Asia network had launched a powerful international propaganda offensive against China, claiming that the outbreak in Wuhan was due to the leak of an illegal bioweapon from the Wuhan lab. This may have merely been an exceptionally prompt but opportunistic response of our propaganda organs, but they seemed remarkably quick to take full advantage of an entirely unexpected and mysterious development, which they immediately identified as being due to a lab-leak.

(6) By “the second week of November” our Defense Intelligence Agency had already begun preparing a secret report warning of a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak in Wuhan although according to the standard timeline at that point probably only a couple of dozen people had started experiencing any symptoms of illness in a city of 11 million. How did they discover what was happening in Wuhan so much sooner than the Chinese government or anyone else?

(7) Almost immediately afterwards, the ruling political elites in Iran became severely infected, with many of them dying. Why did the accidental Wuhan lab-leak jump to the Iran’s political elites so quickly, before it had reached almost anywhere else in the world.
 

B.I.B.

Captain
Skywatcher, I completely agree with your agreement with me. :cool:

You have 3 people with COVID - indoors, no masks, 8/hours a day. And somehow nobody else at the laboratory is infected?

Let's be real. If 3 people have COVID indoors with no masks for hours every day, they're going to infect other people. Those others will infect others. In fact, it's probably a super-spreader event. This is how COVID works.

There would be dozens of laboratory employees hospitalized. There would be deaths. The laboratory would be shut down. This is what happened at the marketplace. This is what happens in every single indoor environment with COVID when nobody is wearing masks. None of this happened at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

The fundamental flaw in the lab leak conspiracy theory is the lack of a lab oubreak.
If you guys go along with the lab leak theory then you must think that Shi Zhengli was not being truthful when she said that the specimen she had was still years away from being able to infect humans.
 

Phead128

Major
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
Thankfully, most Americans don't trust mainstream media, so the more bullshit that WSJ or NYT puts out, esp. with a negative spin on China, it's not going to make much of a difference, because Americans know it's an agenda. Especially slimey spin on the truth like: "I'm not convinced" is clearly pushing an agenda. I say this as an American, I get real analysis from independent sources from YT, not mainstream media or even Reuters that claim to be "neutral".
 
Top