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Woah. I wouldn't go that far to condemn TCM as fake. I grew up on Western medicine. I've never believed in TCM until I reached adulthood. Western medicine is and always is my go to treatment. Until there was a time when it couldn't fix one of my ailments. Out of options, I took a chance with TCM and it worked. There was no placebo effect, I can swear on that.
TCM can not be explained by Western medicine. But its healing effects are real. Nevertheless, TCM is no substitute for Western medicine. They are a complimentary. Even Chinese doctors said so. Western medicine treats the immediate symptoms best. While TCM treats the underlying problems best. TCM cannot substitute treatments like surgery, chemo, or O2, it is meant to compliment them. Chinese doctors know when to apply Western medicine or TCM as needed.
Hence I would not pass outright negative judgements on other traditional medicines, even Ayurvedic. They all have their own history and merits. No doubt they all have their own quacks who shame their decipline. Ayurveda had the cow urine scam. TCM had the mercury pill scam. And Western medicine the had the Snake Oil scam. Steer away from the scammers. You can only trust the valid and reputable practitioners from each respective medicines. They know what they are doing.
While I do understand the emotion and sentiments behind it, the venom that Jai Hinds spit against China is just too much. So much so, I guarantee that a Chinese (identifying would get mobbed and killed. I genuinely suspect the good-faith and warm heart some countries offer to India. It's condescending at best, outright mockery at worst.
That Indians and Chinese, despite being so close to each other, remain so distant - It's so ironic. But if the recent history is to be verified, it's clear that it's the most amicable both countries remain with the current nature of relationship. India is looking at another lost decade (or atleast half a decade).
I guess that's one of the few things I disagree with. Promoting TCM is not good. Is vaccine a TCM contribution?
Did TCM help in preventing Covid? Do TCM help in helping a patient who has third degree or higher burns? Do TCM aid in surgeries, real time?
TCM like traditional medicines everywhere must be studied. Because many medicines that exist now have been derived from compounds in traditional medicines.
That Indians and Chinese, despite being so close to each other, remain so distant - It's so ironic. But if the recent history is to be verified, it's clear that it's the most amicable both countries remain with the current nature of relationship. India is looking at another lost decade (or atleast half a decade).
I guess that's one of the few things I disagree with. Promoting TCM is not good. Is vaccine a TCM contribution?
Did TCM help in preventing Covid? Do TCM help in helping a patient who has third degree or higher burns? Do TCM aid in surgeries, real time?
TCM like traditional medicines everywhere must be studied. Because many medicines that exist now have been derived from compounds in traditional medicines.
It seems the 40,000 oxygen generators say otherwise? In Chinese we call that "the mouth says no but the body is honest".
He is being sarcastic.
Yeah fake news
Bloody Indian press making up stuff up about China retracting plans to suspend flights, can't trust thehindu.com, bunch of liars.....
oops .just reread you comment ......
My bad you meant Pakistani fake news press saying there are flights from China! In which case are the guys from thehindu liars? or is it the Pakistanis, nope sorry my mistake again that can't be the case! Are the Pakistani press and thehindu both telling the truth or are the both liars?
Yep, I can see how it can get really confusing really fast! I mean both the Pakistani press and thehindu agreeing on something about China miracles will never cease!
In my experience and i believe this is also the viewpoint of the Chinese gov (and the ROC), healthcare outcomes are best achieved through a synergy of both modern medicine and traditional chinese medicine. TCM has evolved as has modern medicine- this means you're not going to see TCM in surgery, but you will see TCM in post operative rehabilitation eg acupuncture and herbal therapy or as an adjunct to chemotherapy or radiation therapy.
You're going to see TCM used in chronic disorders eg stroke patients, cerebral palsy, where the modern medicine equivalent would assign to physiotherapists- and here's the rub. Western physiotherapy is actually stealing traditional chinese medicine and claiming it as their own- look up dry needling- which is acupuncture; in fact, this is a feature of western imperialism: to steal foreign ideas and re-market it as their own. Eg non quinine based antimalarial drugs lifted from the pharmacopoeia of traditional chinese medicine eg QingHaosu, and for the office workers here, did you know the corporate "Agile System" which is all the rage in the anglosphere, is really a re-branded japanese corporate culture team building system?
TCM works in China and taiwan because the chinese worldview is a synergy of complementary opposites; it's a very western belief to have a zero sum attitude towards life- and it's not even true in science either. There's plenty of scientific theories that clash with each other (chemistry being a great eg) and yet are still taught in universities because people can accept two different conflicting schools of thoughts- and this is what medics in china, in taiwan, in korea etc do.
Unsurprisingly, the Chinese approach to COVID has been the most effective response; besides societal cooperation of locking down, isolating and contact tracing, the use of TCM along with allopathic interventions was crucial for the low death rate compared to modern socialised medical countries like Germany and France, and now with mass vaccinations and a new room temperature mRNA in the works, China's leaders simply create conditions that allow for the highest probability of preserving human life.
In fact, we could have an HIV vaccine or a cure to cancer in our lifetimes thanks to the humanity first approach to life in China compared to the profit driven anglosphere.
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One final note, it's erroneous to compare the cow piss drinking Ayurvedic charlatans to TCM; the former is clearly guided by religious superstition; in TCM copious amounts of research literature has been conducted since the WHO was first formed to determine the correct dosages of active components of plant/mineral/animal part in TCM.
TCM of today has actually been standardised thanks to the CCP and the ROC, compared to what it was back even as late as the 30s.