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manqiangrexue

Brigadier
I don't think you meat ALL Anglo people, right?

It is important to distinguish ordinary working people in the west and their capitalist ruling class. The ordinary people are victimized and cheated by the ruling class. Once they finally realize the nature of their capitalist oppressors and exploiters, they will be friends and allies of the working people of China. After all, we have the same enemies -- their ruling class.
Don't make the same stupid mistake that Americans make about China: assuming that the people want to overthrow their government/social order for some personal benefit. Every time I hear an American politician say, "We like the Chinese people but are against the Chinese government that oppresses them," it makes me laugh that they still don't get it. It is one of the cardinal causes of America's miscalculations on China. China should not return the favor. Americans live in a democratic society and they elected a president who is racist against China because Americans want America to remain the world's premier power and China's rise is scaring them out of whatever kind veneer they had managed to put on before. The common American people want themselves and their country on top and China and Chinese people on bottom because that puts them and their children at a global advantage in securing resources and I understand that feeling because as a Chinese, I want the opposite. I don't want to fight class warfare in my country and I don't want to attack the rich or ruling class in China; I want to work together with them to make China the strongest country in the world. You would make a fatal mistake to think that Americans aren't also capable of such patriotism and ambition that is more advanced than immediate personal gain. This is the Chinese government and all Chinese people vs. the US government and all American people; denying this is living in a romantic fantasy.
 
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I don't think you meat ALL Anglo people, right?

It is important to distinguish ordinary working people in the west and their capitalist ruling class. The ordinary people are victimized and cheated by the ruling class. Once they finally realize the nature of their capitalist oppressors and exploiters, they will be friends and allies of the working people of China. After all, we have the same enemies -- their ruling class.
I do not need to meet all anglos. I know how they love, cheer and applaud their elected officials for the outlandish racist rants and diatribe. Then their chosen favourite media will propagate those lies to the cheering audience. Then they excitingly go about their daily lives repeating the ridiculous lies in church, workplace and sunday school. They then cheer some more when their government shut down chinese media from providing a rebuttal. Yet their is hardly any critique from the so-called free world
 

spring2017

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I do not need to meet all anglos...
The free world is only a shame, and the capitalist countries are all oppressive and exploitive. Media and education system are controlled by the ruling class, whose hatred toward China is stemmed from the fact that China represents a different system other than capitalism and it is winning. The anlgo masses are fooled now. But as the saying going: "You cann't fool all the people all the time.". We need to show them the light.
 

voyager1

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France has lost its mind
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France to offer mRNA jabs as second dose after AstraZeneca​

France has become the second country after Germany to recommend that younger people who have had a first dose of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine be given a different jab for their follow-up shot.

The mixed-dose approach has been recommended by health experts in both countries — despite there being little clinical trial data to support it — because of the slim risk that younger people can develop blood clots when given the AstraZeneca jab.
Yeah doing real time experiments on humans without having any data. Can you imagine what would happen if people suddenly started dying?..

Xi should condemn France for human rights violations.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
The free world is only a shame, and the capitalist countries are all oppressive and exploitive. Media and education system are controlled by the ruling class, whose hatred toward China is stemmed from the fact that China represents a different system other than capitalism and it is winning. The anlgo masses are fooled now. But as the saying going: "You cann't fool all the people all the time.". We need to show them the light.
Once again, don't make the same mistake that Western countries make by wasting time and resources trying to convert other countries. China's system is a unique fusion of capitalism, socialism, every-ism that works. It makes China strong and it sets a framework for China's rise. This system is uniquely tailored to China and won't necessarily fit anyone else, and even if it did, it is China's advantage to keep the elements of its success to itself rather than spread it reinvigorating defeated rivals in the West. China need not show them any light; every nation must find its own light or they deserve to be in darkness. But if you meant "show them the light" as in try to foment unrest in their nations tricking their people to oppose and attack their own government, then assuming such efforts don't drain national resources from China's core endeavors of self-development, they are worth exploring.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
The common American people want themselves and their country on top and China and Chinese people on bottom because that puts them and their children at a global advantage in securing resources and I understand that feeling because as a Chinese, I want the opposite. I don't want to fight class warfare in my country and I don't want to attack the rich or ruling class in China; I want to work together with them to make China the strongest country in the world. You would make a fatal mistake to think that Americans aren't also capable of such patriotism and ambition that is more advanced than immediate personal gain. This is the Chinese government and all Chinese people vs. the US government and all American people; denying this is living in a romantic fantasy.
American exceptionalism only works in the Western hemisphere...for now and not forever. The American people are very ignorant about history and see that it's in their divine right to rule the world into peace through might even if it's wrong. I don't have a lot confidence in the American people to ever 'learn from history'.
 

Nutrient

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I don't want to fight class warfare in my country and I don't want to attack the rich or ruling class in China; I want to work together with them to make China the strongest country in the world.
What's the good if China's strength became the greatest in the world -- and then the country collapsed from corruption?
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
What's the good if China's strength became the greatest in the world -- and then the country collapsed from corruption?
We'll cross that bridge if we come to it. Right now the problem is that China's strength is not yet at the top of the world while collapse from corruption is a Gordon Chang dream. I don't need to fantasize about parallel universe scenarios when China has a very real very pressing challenge before it now, one which calls for Chinese unity, not the Chinese rich and poor trying to tear each others' faces off. That's what the US wants to see.
 

Nutrient

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We'll cross that bridge if we come to it. Right now the problem is that China's strength is not yet at the top of the world while collapse from corruption is a Gordon Chang dream.
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." (George Santayana) Do you want to repeat the Ming Dynasty?

I don't need to fantasize about parallel universe scenarios when China has a very real very pressing challenge before it now, one which calls for Chinese unity, not the Chinese rich and poor trying to tear each others' faces off. That's what the US wants to see.
Now is a good time to address the problem. The Communist Party is still more powerful than the billionaires and can leash them with almost no disturbance in the country. In twenty years, the billionaires (and maybe trillionaires) will be far too strong, and then it will be too late: China will collapse just as the Ming Dynasty collapsed, just as the USA is collapsing now from gross corruption.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." (George Santayana) Do you want to repeat the Ming Dynasty?
Those who waste time solving problems that don't exist are doomed to be destroyed by those that do.
Now is a good time to address the problem. The Communist Party is still more powerful than the billionaires and can leash them with almost no disturbance in the country. In twenty years, the billionaires (and maybe trillionaires) will be far too strong, and then it will be too late: China will collapse just as the Ming Dynasty collapsed, just as the USA is collapsing now from gross corruption.
Now is a terrible time to attack the private enterprises of the nation. China is in a nearly existential fight for global supremacy and we need every ounce of strength and power we can muster, especially from the private sector. Knocking them down and attacking them now is like using your right leg to kick your own left leg in at the knee in the middle of a kickboxing match. The CCP is more powerful than the countries' billionaires and there exists no trend to show that that will change in the future. Their powers are not in competition with each other; the CCP uses and controls the power of China's billionaires and their capabilities to push China forward. Their powers depend on each other; any entity, no matter how rich, is at the mercy of the CCP in China in ways that money cannot overcome and the global power of the CCP is exalted by the powers of its tech entities. Saying you need to cripple the billionaires before they are too strong to control is like saying you need to throw your gun into a junk compactor before it overthrows your arm... and you are in the middle of a shoot-out! China needs to nurture its start-ups and its tech players fueling them with resources to become global champions. Chinese people pulling other Chinese people down is the only way the US can win.
 
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