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voyager1

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taxiya said:
The article also said "Sinopharm COVID-19 vaccine is also the first Chinese vaccine authorized for emergency use by the EU, according to a company statement."

The Hungarian certificate is GMP "Good Manufacturing Practice" on top of EU authorization. GMP itself is neither an authorization nor an exemption.
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I think the statement is wrong. The EU regulator agency in charge of approving vaccines is the EMA. Now the countries themselves can ignore it and issue their own emargency approvals.

From what I know thats what happened. Hungary approved the vaccine but that doesn't mean that the EMA has approved it. So Sinopharm can still not be given in the rest of the EU countries, except Hungary (unless there are some other which issued their own approvals)

TLDR: misleading statement. Not the first Chinese vaccine approved by the EU. It is the first Chinese vaccine approved by an EU country
 
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taxiya

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voyager1 said:
I think the statement is wrong. The EU regulator agency in charge of approving vaccines is the EMA. Now the countries themselves can ignore it and issue their own emargency approvals.

From what I know thats what happened. Hungary approved the vaccine but that doesn't mean that the EMA has approved it. So Sinopharm can still not be given in the rest of the EU countries, except Hungary (unless there are some other which issued their own approvals)

TLDR: misleading statement. Not the first Chinese vaccine approved by the EU. It is the first Chinese vaccine approved by an EU country
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The reasons that I doubt the report made a mistake are:
  1. The report said "also". That means that the reporter apparently is aware that GMP (Hungarian certification) is not the same as EMA authorization. It is unlikely a mistake.
  2. The report used "by the EU" instead of "in the EU" or "by an EU country". So the reporter is not confusing Hungary with EU. Unless it is couple of typos, possible but unlikely as the article is in good English.
Let's just wait for a little longer to decide whether the statement was wrongly reported. In the mean time, I am going to look for the source of that statement from Sinopharm's web site.

[Edit], of course if the reporter is deliberately miss-presenting, it is totally another thing and very serious one. I won't go that path for the moment.
 
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emblem21

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Anyone notice that the West is the warning the world of "this" happening when they're the ones guilty of doing it? Let's believe that Russia and China are doing what the West accuses... So what. It's the West that's doing little to nothing for the people of the world. What are they expecting? The world reject Russian and China's help so they can be exposed to COVID-19? Is their excuse for doing nothing for the world because they're not doing what they accuse of Russia and China? It's like US house Representative Matt Gaetz under investigation for sex trafficking. So to deflect away from his crime, he is instead loudly talking about how's he's being extorted without any connection to his sex trafficking crimes except that he brought it up. The US doesn't care about the rest of the world and the very vaccine nationalism they warned of is being played out only among Western countries. What does that have to do with Russia and China actually sending their vaccines to the rest of the world when the West is feeble at their attempts? Absolutely nothing but trumping up some conspiracy that's only affects the West's reputation and not harming the world in getting Russian and Chinese vaccines is just a deflection of overall Western failure at a time when they're worried over how Russia and China look better. They would rather have people die around the world than to have their image of being the heroes of world being tarnished. It's no one else's fault but their own.
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Very true, they have the opportunity to save the world and make themselves look better then China and they blew it so epically that they have nothing left to add except lies and cowardly insults. Goes to show that everything they tried to do against against has always failed and will definitely backfire many times over. HK, trade war and the pandemic are key examples where China came out much harm but actually gained as a result. If the USA wants to do something further, they have better be prepared to lose it all and given that Biden failed in His negotiations with China, Iran and Russia ( with all of them looking to team up together against the west) something seems to be building to where this time round, this could be the very time where the west could lose more then they ever had before and this time China along with Russia is going to exact some much needed karma on the USA since they could have helped the world but because of there stupidity (long with the UK) have literally made things a whole lot worse with the idiotic downplaying and allowing of other nations to travel like nothing has happened for 2-3 months when China warned everyone. I am seriously thinking that someone what’s to depopulate the western world because of how unproductive they are in general I mean most of the whining seems to come from the western world as of now, what about Africa or the Middle East, we don’t seem to get the same amount of whining there and they go though a lot worse then most of the world.
 
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supersnoop

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emblem21 said:
Hmmm I guess they not much hope for Canada now. They are soon following the USA into total retardation and soon total suffering, all because tedreau has lost his balls
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Trudeau is not some absolute ruler. Health matters are handled mostly at the provincial level, thus it is mostly provincial leadership that guides Covid response.

This is not meant to be a defense of the guy, just FYI for anyone interested.

What I don't understand when it comes to Canada is why testing, tracing, and enforcement is so lax (as mentioned by @Bellum_Romanum). If there is capacity to do 60,000 tests/day in Ontario, then they should focus these tests to lockdown actual places rather than hodgepodge of business types and regions. None of this would be "against freedumm" or anything like that, certainly probably more "free" than randomly shutting down your business every other week.

For more evidence of political disease. Look at all these finger pointing articles, and still no domestic vaccine solution.
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<-- This one is a special hoot. What can Chinese "steal" when there is no vaccine in Canada??
 
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supersnoop said:
Trudeau is not some absolute ruler. Health matters are handled mostly at the provincial level, thus it is mostly provincial leadership that guides Covid response.
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I would say the provinces are guiding the covid response precisely because of lack of direction from the federal level.

While normal health care matters are provincial, emergency response is absolutely a federal responsibility. For a highly contagious disease like covid-19, a fragmented, province-based response is doomed from the start.

The provincial governments have limited resources, and more importantly, limited vision. Provinces cannot independently deal with China, for example, to buy vaccines. Vaccine approval is federal. The current school fiasco is another symptom of province-led pandemic response. The Ontario government is now more interested in keeping parents working than keeping the disease from spreading.

Trudeau has been a complete failure.
 
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