COMAC C919

latenlazy

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There will be some state directed adoption of the CJ-1000. The government is extremely invested in this project and there’s no reason they would not put their thumbs on the scale to ensure its long term success. Would it be better if the government doesn’t need to and the CJ-1000 comes out of the box a very good performer on all the parameters airliners care about for their operational requirements? Yes. But if it doesn’t turn out that way this government is very unlikely to just shoulder shrug and let the project sink on its own. If the CJ-1000 does not perform competitively with the Leap-1C out of the box it will be put into a position where it can attain that competitiveness on a protected glide path.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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IMO, as long as the CJ1000A has been proven to be reliable, efficient and safe for regular use - Perhaps having C919s with CJ1000A engines being adopted for official state transport use by complementing/replacing the A320s and 737s currently in service with the PLAAF in similar roles could be a good start?

Compared to outright procuring C919s for actual, obvious military-only use (e.g. AEW&C, EW and ASW aircrafts) - Given how official state transport aircrafts like the C-32A and C-40C aren't exactly exclusive for military-only use, I do believe that this is a more realistically achievable prospect.

With high-ranking government officials using domestic engine-powered airliners, this should be able to provide a much-needed confidence boost for Chinese civil airlines to procure them as well.
 
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Gloire_bb

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I think you are underestimating the massive priority the C919 is for the Chinese government right now. If the Western companies pulled out, those components would be redesigned and import substituted by China. Heck, the Russians are doing it, with a much smaller economy and resources than China can throw at it. And no amount of Soviet legacy would help with making modern avionics. China has a much better electronics industry than Russia could ever hope to have.
Soviet legacy absolutely helps.
There is a continuous track of developing civilian flight subsystems since the dawn of flight to right now. Like, all of them. No surprises beyond development mistakes that happen to everyone. Same with certification.

Japan also has a much better electronics industry than Russia could ever hope to have - yet it thunderously failed to produce even a constructor of Western parts.

I would only take that bet IF some major provocation took place. One likely started in Beijing.
Even if we assume that provocations are only started by nefarious actors and not the blessed Valinor - as it happened in feb.2022, Beijing won't be exactly notifying every granny, especially granny with daily contact with Western business, about what happens next.
So industry should expect such events to come unexpectedly, or the whole point is lost - it's just a for-profit product otherwise, with no more inbuilt survivability than ZTE phones.

And IMHO the better way out is both - developing fully domestic C919(if it's possible), as a solution with expected fruits into 2030s. And developing some sort of C919-21 amalgamation, for a stopgap contingency for later 2020s.
We like it, we hate it, a crysis can develop tomorrow. Not everything is predictable.
 
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tphuang

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IMO, as long as the CJ1000A has been proven to be reliable, efficient and safe for regular use - Perhaps having C919s with CJ1000A engines being adopted for official state transport use by complementing/replacing the A320s and 737s currently in service with the PLAAF in similar roles could be a good start?

Compared to outright procuring C919s for actual, obvious military-only use (e.g. AEW&C, EW and ASW aircrafts) - Given how official state transport aircrafts like the C-32A and C-40C aren't exactly exclusive for military-only use, I do believe that this is a more realistically achievable prospect.

With high-ranking government officials using domestic engine-powered airliners, this should be able to provide a much-needed confidence boost for Chinese civil airlines to procure them as well.
yes, the most obvious place to put it is actually in official govt or state aircraft first. And ideally, the major airlines themselves have mainline fleet that continue to operate Leap-1C, but their subsidiary operates CJ1000A. You can always incentivize CJ1000A usage by granting these new subsidiary hard to get takeoff/landing slots, gates, other assets & things like free loans. There are things you can do incentivize more CJ1000A.

Remember, you don't just want airlines to buy planes with CJ1000A, you want them to fly it, learn from it and working with AECC to improve the after service support and things like that
 

by78

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A C919 disgorges passengers after its arrival at Beijing Daxing for the first time earlier this month.

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tphuang

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keep something in mind, MU is correct in being careful about how it use C919. While "problem" rate is declining, it is still quite high. Should be expected for a new aircraft. We will only see more aggressive utilization once issues are sorted out
 

KFX

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The C919 will make its first flying debut outside of China proper (including Hong Kong) in Singapore during the 2024 Singapore Airshow, which will be held in late February this year.

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Alert5 reports that they'll have two C919s at Singapore, with one flying and on on static. Apparently China is bring six aircraft overall. There also may be a pair of ARJ21s, with one on static and one flying. Apparently a military type is also coming. I'd wager J-10 or maybe Y-20.
 
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