COMAC C919

tphuang

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What, in your view, would be the definition of a successful airline project? What would define the difference between success or failure for the C919?
COMAC learns how to support commercial airlines and work with them through all the teething issues in the beginning and after. Not easy btw, A220 is an amazing aircraft, but it's a hangar queen compared to A320. I know this as a fact. It's unlike C919 will be better than A220 to start off. So, airlines will need to be very patient with COMAC.

It needs to get good at supply chain management. Airbus right now has persistent production issues. It is so far behind delivery schedule. As COMAC starts to deliver aircraft to customers, it needs to get good at just delivering aircraft on time. Not easy.

It can learn a lot from Airbus on how they incrementally improved A320. People don't realize how much A320 series has evolved. In the beginning, nobody was buying A321 because it couldn't fly very far and its economics didn't work. But now, A321 is far and away the most dominant narrowbody aircraft due to range, flexibility and economics. That's all due to the continued iterative improvement that Airbus has made.

They could stop in Dubai to refuel right?
DXB is also what we call a hot and high airport. Same with ADD. Neither are ideal for aircraft range. C919 allows you to reliably fly from SHA to URC and that's pretty good. C919 would allow an airline to fly from ADD to most of sub Sahara Africa (not including South Africa) and all the GCC countries. If ET buys C919s, that would be the kind of routes it would want to fly.

But of course, C919 needs to prove itself in service with Chinese carriers first.
 

Mischa

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They could stop in Dubai to refuel right?
Between Ethiopia and China, the pax and cargo demand are huge. There is no reason to operate a narrow-body jet with a stopover except for political showoff.

Before covid-19, Ethiopian operated more than 30 passenger flights every week to China. The major destination Guangzhou was served by 10 passenger flights operated with 777-300ER (about 400 seats) and 787 (about 300 seats), plus daily freight flight with 777F.
 

kwaigonegin

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I would wish ET not to purchase any C919 before they fully secure their safety and pilot training. They really had a terrible safety record, even before ET302 accident.
No they don't. ET is by far the biggest and best airline in Africa. And to be fair ET302 (737 MAX) was just as much Boeing's fault.
I personally would have zero issues flying ET. While Ethiopia may be a poor 3rd world country, their airline is actually world class.
 

gelgoog

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Happenstance or not really? Russia also had issues with the SaM146 engine in the Sukhoi Superjet. It turned out a part of the engine supplied by the French, made in the US, also had issues which meant the engine ended up with half the lifetime it was supposed to have. Which made the airplane uneconomic. The issues never got fixed.
 

lcloo

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Exactly how many C-919 have COMAC produced so far?According to this video,COMAC has not deliver a second C-919 so far,and the first one seems to be sitting idle in the warehouse after a few test flight

According to schedule, the next 2 deliveries will be in the second quarter 2023, i.e. from April to June 2023.

Sitting in the warehouse after a few flight? Your choice of word is highly biase to spreading negative narratives. The "warehouse" is an aircraft maintenance Hangar, "sitting idle" is because the foreign made CMF Leap-1C engine's reverse thruster malfunction, they will need to check and solve the problem inside the Hangar.


According to Aviation Week Network’s Fleet Discovery, 698 C919s are on order, with an additional 105 on option. Following China Eastern, Air China is next on the list for deliveries, with two C919s set for the 2023 second quarter, and its remaining three for the 2023 third quarter. China Southern, with five C919s on order, will start receiving its new aircraft in the 2023 fourth quarter (Q4), with two scheduled for delivery, and the remining three set for Q1 2024. Hainan Airlines, which has 20 C919s on order, is slated to receive its first three new aircraft in Q1 2024, with the remainder to be delivered through Q4 2025.
 
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tonyget

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According to schedule, the next 2 deliveries will be in the second quarter 2023, i.e. from April to June 2023.

Youtube is unreliable source of information .

According to Aviation Week Network’s Fleet Discovery, 698 C919s are on order, with an additional 105 on option. Following China Eastern, Air China is next on the list for deliveries, with two C919s set for the 2023 second quarter, and its remaining three for the 2023 third quarter. China Southern, with five C919s on order, will start receiving its new aircraft in the 2023 fourth quarter (Q4), with two scheduled for delivery, and the remining three set for Q1 2024. Hainan Airlines, which has 20 C919s on order, is slated to receive its first three new aircraft in Q1 2024, with the remainder to be delivered through Q4 2025.

How many C-919 can they produce every year?
 
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