Chinese Trainer Aircraft (JL-8, JL-9, JL-10 (L-15), etc.)

burritocannon

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I'm pretty sure the bottom image is AI generated.
could even be hand drawn with regard to the quantity of perspective errors. obviously the intent is to "hornetize" this airplane.
It looks like it lines up nicely with the top image. What makes you think so?
there are a LOT of inconsistencies dude. the edited edges (LERX, LEs) are off-axis, the far wing is too large, the chords are inconsistent, there are subtle wobbliness and kinks in straight edges and varying fuzziness of the edges. all the edited areas are too sharp compared to the original underlying image.1761761733695.png
and this is without saying that all other images we have seen of this aircraft clearly show more highly swept surfaces that are distinctively not hornet-esque in shape.
 
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tamsen_ikard

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Hongdu could potentially pitch this as a JF-17 competitor for export.
I dont think they are comparable. Jf-17 is a full fledged fighter with aesa radar, ecm and good air to air capabilities. It also has solid anti shipping and anti radiation missile capabilities. I dont think this trainer will have the advanced radar capabilities. It might be used for light bombing missions but even there it will not be optimized for it.
 

Tomboy

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I dont think they are comparable. Jf-17 is a full fledged fighter with aesa radar, ecm and good air to air capabilities. It also has solid anti shipping and anti radiation missile capabilities. I dont think this trainer will have the advanced radar capabilities. It might be used for light bombing missions but even there it will not be optimized for it.
IMO if there is enough demand, most if not all of what you said could be integrated with the airframe. Those and the LO features on the aircraft could make it a potent light fighter. Also, it may be in the interest of the PLA to integrate this trainer stock with a low cost AESA to better prepare pilots for transition to a real 5th/6th generation fighter.
 

Andy1974

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I dont think they are comparable. Jf-17 is a full fledged fighter with aesa radar, ecm and good air to air capabilities. It also has solid anti shipping and anti radiation missile capabilities. I dont think this trainer will have the advanced radar capabilities. It might be used for light bombing missions but even there it will not be optimized for it.
It’s obviously got a good sized radar, bigger than Rafael by the looks of it.
 

jnd85

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I dont think they are comparable. Jf-17 is a full fledged fighter with aesa radar, ecm and good air to air capabilities. It also has solid anti shipping and anti radiation missile capabilities. I dont think this trainer will have the advanced radar capabilities. It might be used for light bombing missions but even there it will not be optimized for it.
could even be hand drawn with regard to the quantity of perspective errors. obviously the intent is to "hornetize" this airplane.

there are a LOT of inconsistencies dude. the edited edges (LERX, LEs) are off-axis, the far wing is too large, the chords are inconsistent, there are subtle wobbliness and kinks in straight edges and varying fuzziness of the edges. all the edited areas are too sharp compared to the original underlying image.View attachment 163580
and this is without saying that all other images we have seen of this aircraft clearly show more highly swept surfaces that are distinctively not hornet-esque in shape.
I don't know... I could see how the difference in the more distant wing might be a quirk of the aileron position, and the blurriness and clearness might be artifacts from an extreme zoom.

It could also just be a bad photoshop job. PRC photographers, especially older gen and inexperienced, sometimes edit photos for seemingly no reason to "improve" their pictures. For instance maybe the person who posted it used the "transform" tool to adjust the persepctive. That kind of modification might explain a number of the discrepancies all at once.

Its a slight tangent, but being able to distinguish between generated vs modified images is probably going to be a growth industry soon.
 
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burritocannon

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I don't know... I could see how the difference in the more distant wing might be a quirk of the aileron position, and the blurriness and clearness might be artifacts from an extreme zoom.

It could also just be a bad photoshop job. PRC photographers, especially older gen and inexperienced, sometimes edit photos for seemingly no reason to "improve" their pictures. For instance maybe the person who posted it used the "transform" tool to adjust the persepctive. That kind of modification might explain a number of the discrepancies all at once.
considering that there's a particular thread in western commentators to accuse this aircraft of "copying the fa-18", i think its most plausible that this image as being related to that conversation, either arguing for or against it.

idk why with the vast majority of people, having no art training, who balk at being challenged to any demonstrations of their visualization ability, are yet so confident when it comes to judging what correct perspective looks like.
 

Atomicfrog

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considering that there's a particular thread in western commentators to accuse this aircraft of "copying the fa-18", i think its most plausible that this image as being related to that conversation, either arguing for or against it.

idk why with the vast majority of people, having no art training, who balk at being challenged to any demonstrations of their visualization ability, are yet so confident when it comes to judging what correct perspective looks like.
Even more with optical distortions from camera lens, its sometime hard to judge proportions and size.
 
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