Chinese Trainer Aircraft (JL-8, JL-9, JL-10 (L-15), etc.)


peace_lover

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Re: JL-15 and other trainers

Actually , one JL-15 costs 15 million RMB, 15 million USD , i read it in a chinese magzine last evening . I am from china
 

MIGleader

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Re: JL-15 and other trainers

peace_lover said:
Actually , one JL-15 costs 15 million RMB, 15 million USD , i read it in a chinese magzine last evening . I am from china
how did 15 million rmb=15 million usd? 15 million usd(which is far more likely) is 120 rmb.
most of us know that 1 USD=8 RMb, DONT NEED TO REMIND US!
 
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ahho

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Re: JL-15 and other trainers

peace_lover said:
Actually , one JL-15 costs 15 million RMB, 15 million USD , i read it in a chinese magzine last evening . I am from china
errr 15million RMB, china would have massproduced it
 

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not sure if this is official, but qianlong is one of the well known Chinese sites, so this is most likely true.

千龙网北京11月17日讯 截止11月10日,
由洪都航空工业集团公司自行研制的L15高教机已完成了全机燃油、液压、静力、发动机启封开车等首飞前必做的地面试验任务,其余重大地面试验正按“保质量、保节点”要求向前推进,确保L15高教机年内首飞。

  10月5日下午, L15高教机燃油系统地面模拟试验完成了首飞前的各项试验,数据显示试验符合设计要求。这是L15高教机首飞前必做的重大试验项目之一,燃油系统地面模拟试验是全面考核L15高教机在飞行过程中燃油系统设计方案和原理的正确性与合理性。

  10月13日晚上9时许,L15高教机液压系统全机地面模拟试验顺利结束,整个地面试验状态良好,过到了预期设计目的。L15高教机液压系统全机地面模拟试验是L15首飞前必做的重点大型试验项目之一,它用于验证L15高教机液压系统功能是否满足设计要求,导管、成件、附件在各种工作状态下的安全可靠性,评估液压系统抗故障能力。

  10月14日下午4时许,L15高教机全机悬空静力14项试验顺利完成,各项数据符合试验大纲要求。这是L15高教机首飞前必做的重大试验项目之一, L15高教机全机悬空静力试验是一项试验飞机在外界的作用下,机械运动状态保持不变(平衡)的条件。

  10月27-30日,对L15高教机发动机进行“左、右”发冷试车、慢车等各种状态下试车,试车中发动机各项数据工作正常。

  11月6日上午9时许,又对L15高教机发动机进行地面试车。启动“双发”成功,随后“双发”进入慢车、中速、大转速,中速、慢车等各种工作状态,地面各项测试数据显示和机上各项测试数据显示,“双发”在各状态下工作一切正常,符合L15高教机设计要求,至此,L15高教机发动机阶段性地面试车工作圆满完成。

  另据消息,L15高教机机翼、座舱盖静力试验即将开始,各项前期准备工作都已就绪。 01架全机震动试验11月中旬结束。 近期内L15高教机将进行地面滑行试验。
 

sumdud

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Re: JL-15 and other trainers

F-7Ns? When were these bought?
It isn't from the deal Nigeria asked for in the last couple of months, was it?

What modifications did it have to have it cost 18 million?
A F-7 costing more than a FC-1, JL-8 at 20 million, and L-15 at 15 million?!

How in the world can JL-8 cost more than L-15.......
In what currency did all these numbers come from?
 

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JL-9 entering service

sorry, can't edit the headline,
should be wrote
"JL-9 to entering service?"

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New generation of trainer aircraft passes appraisal

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2005-12-23 15:16:51


GUIYANG, Dec. 23 (Xinhuanet) -- China's new generation of trainer aircraft, the JL9, has passed appraisal by a state-level expert panel in Guiyang, southwest China's Guizhou Province.

The JL9 advanced trainer aircraft has proven very good performances at takeoffs, landings and during flight and can effectively perform pilot training mission, said Song Wencong, an academician with the Chinese Academy of Engineering and head of the appraisal team.

"The aircraft is equipped with an advanced avionic system and its cabin design is very similar to that of the third-generation fighter aircraft," he said.

JL9 has multifunctional displays that make it easier for the pilot to acquire, access and use data, said Song.

The aircraft, designed and manufactured independently by Guizhou Aviation Industrial Group, had the first successful trial flight at the end of 2003.

The 18-month state appraisal test started in June 2004, and by the end of November, the two JL9 aircraft under test had flown for 300 hours and had 412 takeoffs and landings.

....."
 

adeptitus

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Re: JL-15 and other trainers

sumdud said:
F-7Ns? When were these bought?
It isn't from the deal Nigeria asked for in the last couple of months, was it?
What modifications did it have to have it cost 18 million?
A F-7 costing more than a FC-1, JL-8 at 20 million, and L-15 at 15 million?!
How in the world can JL-8 cost more than L-15.......
In what currency did all these numbers come from?
Here's an old blurp on Nigeria's F-7NI purchase:
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Reuters reports that Nigeria's government has approved a $251 million USD purchase of 15 fighter and trainer aircraft from China, further strengthening ties between the two countries after a series of significant oil deals.

I think they took that photo from Sinodefense site. -_-;;

The $251 million deal includes 12 single-seat F-7NI fighters and 3 FT-7NI trainers, plus associated equipment. The average price per aircraft is $16.7 million USD, but the package also includes support, munitions, training, etc.

The unit price of a combat aircraft varies widely depending on the number of aircraft sold and package included. Usually, if you buy fewer planes, the unit price will be high.
 

sumdud

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ahho said:
errr 15million RMB, china would have massproduced it
Well, you can't mass produce something that isn't out yet.
The thing isn't even flying yet.
That thing would be nice though.
The JL-9 is more of a cross between a JJ-7 and a FC-1.....
It'll be perfect for countries that are crash strapped and operates FC-1s and similar fighters primarily.
I think they took that photo from Sinodefense site. -_-;;
That's good.
Plus, when you look at the article, click on "F-7/J-7" and you will go to sinodefence. Dude, sinodefence is being recognized.
But there is nothing about the F-7N and NI.
 

tphuang

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Re: JL-9 entering service

Sczepan said:
sorry, can't edit the headline,
should be wrote
"JL-9 to entering service?"

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New generation of trainer aircraft passes appraisal

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2005-12-23 15:16:51


GUIYANG, Dec. 23 (Xinhuanet) -- China's new generation of trainer aircraft, the JL9, has passed appraisal by a state-level expert panel in Guiyang, southwest China's Guizhou Province.

The JL9 advanced trainer aircraft has proven very good performances at takeoffs, landings and during flight and can effectively perform pilot training mission, said Song Wencong, an academician with the Chinese Academy of Engineering and head of the appraisal team.

"The aircraft is equipped with an advanced avionic system and its cabin design is very similar to that of the third-generation fighter aircraft," he said.

JL9 has multifunctional displays that make it easier for the pilot to acquire, access and use data, said Song.

The aircraft, designed and manufactured independently by Guizhou Aviation Industrial Group, had the first successful trial flight at the end of 2003.

The 18-month state appraisal test started in June 2004, and by the end of November, the two JL9 aircraft under test had flown for 300 hours and had 412 takeoffs and landings.

....."
There is a serous logjam in China's trainer industry. Seriously, I can't imagine how China can be purchasing from 3 different trainer programs. JL-9 will be in a huge problem once JL-15 becomes available. Plaaf might get 30 JL-9s, but that would be it. Export will also be a huge problem, since K-8 has already taken over all of China's traditional markets and JL-15 will be more attractive.
 

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