Chinese Trainer Aircraft (JL-8, JL-9, JL-10 (L-15), etc.)


OppositeDay

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Of course better primary trainer is going to accelerate the entire process, and let the student pilots to have a smoother transition period

but this is not all plaaf thinks, one thing you may not realize is how cheap training on CJ-6 can be, i remember I read somewhere when CJ-6 production restarted several years ago, it said the flight hour cost for CJ-6 is less than 1000 cny, which is ridiculously as most the cost are fuels. And the build cost for CJ-6 is even more ridiculous, the new CJ-6 for civilian market has all the fancy features like glass cockpit, gps and etc, but plaaf said we don’t want any of these, just the authentic CJ-6 in bare minimum, so the price dropped to just over 100k cny… which is less than 1/10 of a da-20, and given there are so many places plaaf can spend their money, I don’t think they mind to save some cents on primer trainers

this was exactly what happened to Cj-7 back then, so I think in plaaf’s mindset, CJ-6 of course is not ideal, but reach the very minimum, and it’s franking cheap, that means until they got enough JL-10 and J-10s/j-11BS, they probably won’t take primary trainer renovations/upgrades as priority something

Training on CJ-6 is cheap, but you might not end up saving much money if it means having to spend more time on JL-10 because of a difficult transition. Training on JL-10 is likely an order of magnitude more expensive than on CJ-6.

Two recent (2021) articles on the new two trainers system written by engineers from Hongdu and PLAN Equipment Department:

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Both articles state that the performance gap between CJ-6 and JL-10 has resulted in prolonged training on JL-10. The first article points out additional flight hours on JL-10 needed for the transition come at the expense of flight hours on weaponry training.

Interestingly the first article claims that the plan for developing a new primary trainer has been postponed. Assuming Hudong wasn't lying to investors in its newest annual report (published well after the first article) when they claimed they're developing a new primary trainer, either the development started after the article was written, or that Hudong's new primary trainer is a self-funded project.
 

stannislas

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Training on CJ-6 is cheap, but you might not end up saving much money if it means having to spend more time on JL-10 because of a difficult transition. Training on JL-10 is likely an order of magnitude more expensive than on CJ-6.

Two recent (2021) articles on the new two trainers system written by engineers from Hongdu and PLAN Equipment Department:

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Both articles state that the performance gap between CJ-6 and JL-10 has resulted in prolonged training on JL-10. The first article points out additional flight hours on JL-10 needed for the transition come at the expense of flight hours on weaponry training.
well, nice articles
but the first article also layout the solution to increament of JL-10 flight hour, which is in the section 4.2.3, simulator
i think this is also the same pattern/solution for the US pilot training system on their new T-7, the simulator hour will become a very significant part of the whole process, thus balence the cost and the program
Interestingly the first article claims that the plan for developing a new primary trainer has been postponed. Assuming Hudong wasn't lying to investors in its newest annual report (published well after the first article) when they claimed they're developing a new primary trainer, either the development started after the article was written, or that Hudong's new primary trainer is a self-funded project.
i think in one of the shilao/yankee podcast, they mentioned about this, essentially plaaf doesn't have infinate resources, especially when they have to battle the fund with navy and rocket force, DA-20 and JL-7 are not the first two primary trainers that plaaf decide not to buy, and won't be the last, currently the more realistic solution to replace certain number of CJ-6 could be to look closely to the navy system, see if part of the trainning program could be outsourced to civilian school
 

by78

Lieutenant General
After some equipment upgrades, Hongdu is now capable of running full-fuselage fatigue tests in-house.

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Franklin

Captain
Any news on the WS-17 Minshan for the JL-10. Or are they still relying on the Ivchenko-Progress AI-222 from Ukraine. Because I don't think that Motor Sich will be producing any of them any time soon.
 

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