Chinese shipbuilding industry

Tam

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Get ready for a mega order.

COSCO planning to order as much as 25 capesize ore haulers to transfer bauxite from Guinea. Capesize ore hauler means ships above 150,000 or 200,000 DWT (Dead Weight Tons), and goes as far as 400,000 DWT. Capesize means vessels that are too big to pass through the Panama Canal and must pass through the Cape of Good Hope to transit from the Atlantic to the Pacific and vice versa.


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kwaigonegin

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Get ready for a mega order.

COSCO planning to order as much as 25 capesize ore haulers to transfer bauxite from Guinea. Capesize ore hauler means ships above 150,000 or 200,000 DWT (Dead Weight Tons), and goes as far as 400,000 DWT. Capesize means vessels that are too big to pass through the Panama Canal and must pass through the Cape of Good Hope to transit from the Atlantic to the Pacific and vice versa.


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Not an issue really.. you don't really need to pass through Panama or even Suez for that matter to go from Guinea to China. I don;t think the net gain in terms of distance is that significant.
 

Tam

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Not an issue really.. you don't really need to pass through Panama or even Suez for that matter to go from Guinea to China. I don;t think the net gain in terms of distance is that significant.

I don't really think its just Guinea. China ships tons of ore from Brazil and the rest of the South Americas. In fact, much of the Capesize and Valesize ore haulers in the world are servicing the South America - China route. You have to be flexible to deploy these ships to the South American routes too. Whether or not, and no doubt they don't pass through the Panama Canal for this route, large ore haulers are also servicing the Australia route.
 

taxiya

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I happen to read this
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. It is an announcement of 中国船舶重工集团动力股份有限公司 (CSIC powerplant) about changes of investment capital raising.
(二)变更的具体原因
本次公司拟变更募集资金投资项目的具体原因如下:
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(3)船用综合电力推进试制能力提升建设项目
为适应国内外综合电力推进市场对大功率电机需求,同时结合青岛现有大电机的试验条件、临近青岛海西湾区域造修船企业配套供货以及大型电机的运输的便利性,因此将“船用综合电力推进试制能力提升建设项目”中 20MW 级及以下先进异步电机和5MW 永磁电机120 万千瓦/年的试制能力调整为 40MW 级大功率电机等船用及特种电机 60 万千瓦/年的试制能力,实施地点由黄冈市调整到青岛市。根据生产布局调整,将原电力推进设备生产车间建设地点由武汉调整到黄冈;将原动力技术中心(综合电力系统工艺设计中心)建设地点由黄冈调整到武汉。
Combined prototyping production capacity (1200 MW per year) of Advanced asynchronous (induction) electrical motor of 20MW (and below) class and 5MW permeant magnet motor changed to 600MW per year of 40MW class maritime electrical motor (and other types 等).

I wonder if this change mean that 20MW AIM and 5MW PMM motor have moved from prototyping to serial production? So the program moves to the next level of 40MW motor? If the answer is yes, it would seem that the next batch (in a year?) of Type 055 could be IEP driven.
 

Tam

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Sun Bo expelled from the Party and could face the death penalty. He was the core manager for the Liaoning rebuild, given the roles and ships CSIC builds including nuclear submarines and the latest destroyers. This can be a serious breech of national security.

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Death penalty may await Sun Bo, boss of Chinese aircraft carrier firm CSIC, for alleged spying role

  • Details are unclear but signs point to deep trouble for Sun Bo over espionage claims
  • Beijing may want to use case as a warning to others, source says
 

Blitzo

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Sun Bo expelled from the Party and could face the death penalty. He was the core manager for the Liaoning rebuild, given the roles and ships CSIC builds including nuclear submarines and the latest destroyers. This can be a serious breech of national security.

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Death penalty may await Sun Bo, boss of Chinese aircraft carrier firm CSIC, for alleged spying role

  • Details are unclear but signs point to deep trouble for Sun Bo over espionage claims
  • Beijing may want to use case as a warning to others, source says

I haven't seen any strong indicators that he was directly overseeing the Liaoning refit and rebuild process; and the case that the article makes for it seems rather flimsy.

It basically comes down to this part, which seems weak to me:
The instructions were based on the results of the previous investigation into Sun, the statement said. They demanded CSIC top management strengthen its political awareness, and step up efforts to maintain “security and confidentiality” when building the country’s “cutting-edge weapons”, which are part of China’s goal to establish “a strong army”.

The phrase “cutting edge weapons” has been used to refer to Beijing’s aircraft carrier project as Xi pushes for China to modernise its navy and become a major maritime power.


Instead, I'd argue that the wording of the accusations against him definitely suggest military related espionage, and given his place in CSIC he would certainly be in a position to know certain details about various naval projects.
But otherwise we are relying on Minnie Chan's ability to identify legitimate sources who are claiming that this is related to Liaoning... and her track record makes me a little bit wary.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Via Beijingwalker. Having viable shipping industry is the prerequisite of great naval power In a way it subsidized the R&D with the proceed from building civilian ships
China still leading in global shipbuilding industry
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Source: Xinhua| 2019-01-26 22:06:41
BEIJING, Jan. 26 (Xinhua) -- China maintained its top position in the global shipbuilding industry last year, an association said.

In 2018, Chinese companies built 43.2 percent of the new ships in the world, up from 41.9 percent a year ago, cementing the country's leading role in the sector, the China Association of the National Shipbuilding Industry said in a report.

China received 43.9 percent of global new orders last year and held 42.8 percent of the existing orders.

From the 1950s to the beginning of the 21st century, the three indices were topped by Japan or the Republic of Korea. In 2010, China exceeded the ROK and ranked the first in the world.

Given a lackluster global economy, however, the shipbuilding industry still faces grim circumstances, such as fierce competition and dropping profits, and Chinese companies are no exception.

The association warned of the lingering challenges and said more efforts are needed to improve competitiveness and profitability.

Chinese shipbuilders should seize the opportunity from further opening-up of the industry and ramp up research and development investment to achieve technological breakthroughs and channel more energy into developing liquefied natural gas carriers, the association suggested.
 

gelgoog

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I would not be surprised if they wasted a lot of money getting the Liaoning up in shape more quickly. This happens often in megaprojects where time is the major concern.
However to consider that "corruption" is likely excessive. I also find the claim that he's spilling "secrets" kind of hard to swallow. It is not like the Chinese carrier program is the most advanced in the world. Heck, even Spain can build a STOBAR carrier. So which "secrets" did he spill?
It sounds like he just hanged out with the wrong clique, or is suspected of it, like the article suggests. But I would put little faith in whatever the South China Morning Post writes about the subject. Especially considering that Dalian is not exactly close to Hong Kong.
 
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