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This is an excellent paper Reading it I get the impression that researched into EUV was started 15 years ago about the same time as ASML but for some reason it stay as research project. I am really sad at the lack of vision on the the behalf of captain of semiconductor industry They just sleep on the job Not surprising since most of them are graduate from MBa program in the west and they buy line, hook and sink into " globalization" "comparative advantage BS" Now they they pay very dearly for their mistake today news Huawei Phone sale drop by 42 %
The only issue I have with the paper is that it mistakenly states that ASML uses DPP, when it now uses LPP.
 

ansy1968

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More info regarding the DPP light source

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This paper introduces a new processing technique for discharge produced plasma source collector of EUV Lithography in Harbin Institute of Technology. The main idea is using the ultra-precision diamond lathe to process the inner and outer surfaces of the mirror. The mirror substratum's material...
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This paper introduces a new processing technique for discharge produced plasma source collector of EUV Lithography in Harbin Institute of Technology. The main idea is using the ultra-precision diamond lathe to process the inner and outer surfaces of the mirror. The mirror substratum's material...
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Huh, published in 2011.
 

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This paper introduces a new processing technique for discharge produced plasma source collector of EUV Lithography in Harbin Institute of Technology. The main idea is using the ultra-precision diamond lathe to process the inner and outer surfaces of the mirror. The mirror substratum's material...
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Looks like they have been working on the Collector and the Optics of the EUVL.
Also already managed to manufacture the Mirrors.
 

quantumlight

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Are we sure that Bitcoin is not CIA? Serious question... Remember back in the good old days when CIA needed dark money to run its black ops it would run drugs, and use cold hard cash to buy out/bribe local governments to sell out or do coups etc etc and it was a messy operation, lots of HUMINT, deep cover, and boat loads of cash... well that was inconvenient...

The internet changed all of that... now their spies don't need to use One Time Pads in the field, they can use TOR for communications... TOR, started as a Navy project, was then "open sourced" but the real goal was to get enough of the privacy loving public in on the platform so that the real agents can mask their traffic better against traffic analysis attacks etc... to enhance the anonymity

Bitcoin does for money what TOR did for communication... With bitcoin CIA / governments can pay their agents in the field or whomever mercenaries they bid for instantly and if you run bitcoin over TOR it cannot even be traced by local governments they are trying to subvert.... its a perfect modern combination that assists with logistics of their dark ops

Now, for the larger conspiracy... the way bitcoin is designed, all the coins have to be 'mined' by GPU/ASIC and the difficulty of mining gets exponentially harder over time... Bitcoin along has propped up Nvidia to super heights and inflated the cost of graphics cards everywhere.. there is multiprong benefits for this masterful stroke of genius... by designing a cryptocurrency and putting it out in the wild, the CIA benefits from the crowdsourcing effect whereby the international public basically subsidizes for the development/advancement (arms race of gpu) of graphics cards, but more importantly AI... as AI inference uses the same cuda cores as a grphical GPU... so America is using the world to prop up its AI industry... Now that US controls TSMC and Nvidia buying ARM, USA positions itself to win the windfall of all cryptomining arms races!

See how Nvidia is so rich they buy out ARM... and ARM is the future of CPU, not Intel... and know Nvidia position themselves as AI company, and getting into chip fab, the whole stack, IoT, everything... even self driving car modules etc etc etc... all due to leveraging the rise of bitcoin...

Lastly, Bitcoin if ran by CIA, means CIA holds 10% of the inital set of coins which costed them zero money from the get go, but say one day the market cap of bitcoin is in the hundreds of trillions, or if the US petrodollar gets replaced by bitcoin... well in that case the US still wins, because its controlling it all, controlled opposition! The left hand and the right, two sides of the one same coin.... US dollar almost collapsed during end of brentwoods when Nixon took off the gold standard then hey lets tie Oil to this thing and extended it peetrodollar another three days or so... now petrodollar ending because China is going green but US says hey gets all move to bitcoin... remember the creator of bitcoin owns 10% of all bitcoins, NO ONE KNOWS WHO CREATED BITCOIN, if the creator is actually CIA, then if we all move to bitcoin someday, then effectively the US got 10% of the entire wealth of the whole world FOR FREE!!!!!

And bitcoin security depends on the security ciphers and protocols that NSA designed.... so if there is a backdoor in the cipher itself or an exploit that only NSA knows about... one day the whole world gets on bitcoin standard and that gives US the leverage to sanction, to freeze accounts, to arbitrarily override the "proof of work" and forge fake transactions basically it makes the US a bank that can do whatever it wants and we are all suckered onto the platform....

Imagine Twitter but for banks... and how the US uses twitter to silence any narratives that goes against US hegemony... one day the US can use bitcoin to do the same sort of financial sanctions... twitter's power comes from the network effect, the fact that the whole world has buy into it... the same for bitcoin too... China can create a twitter clone but it doesn't have the network effect in its favor, and same for all the other altcoins, only bitcoin is poised to really get entrenched in the future of fintech markets and used and adopted worldwide, if USA owns the bitcoin, holds the secret 10%, and has zero day exploits for the security ciphers, then its US dollar gets extended another 50 years!

I'm no ECON major/prof like the honorable Mr Gatekeeper, but I still remember when I was in the 2nd grade in elementary school our teacher bought a bunch of jolly ranchers candy to class and gave a handful of them to each of us. Then we had to cut tiny little "tickets" out of red colored paper as some sort of representation of money. I forgot what was the goal of the lesson but some of the kids got smart and stole an extra sheet of the red paper and started cutting "tickets" for themselves and basically ended up diluting the "money supply" because no it was no longer a "one to one" and some people had more tickets than they had Jolly ranchers...

That's my understanding of bitcoin.... and all the other similiar type of alt-coins based on the bitcoin concept of blockchain digital currency... The more the market cap of these combined digicoins ramp up (I still remember back in 2008 when each bitcoin was 1 penny, now each is $40,000+ recently) the more they take away from and devalue ALL money/coins/currency everywhere...

If you take a step back and view the earth as a whole in the form of an isolated 3D island, and then take account of all the currencies, coins, money in existence today used as symbolic proxies to faciliate trade/ commerce/ etc then you divide all the value/ goods/ services (total net worth of the earth?) over all the combined currencies and monies supply then you get an average baseline "value" of what money is worth...

The invention and addition of new entirely new class of money (bitcoins and other coins) is just adding to the problem rather than solving any real solution... these coins in and of themselves, unlike gold, have absolutely zero intrinsic value... cannot even be used for an intrinsic purpose (unlike silver, diamond, gold, that are used in medical/tech and other industrial applications etc)

The total amount of goods in the world stay the same, bitcoin or no bitcoin... (bitcoin is not a magic tech like fusion that would actually help production of wealth etc) but with bitcoin coming into existence and now the massess and even institutional investors all seemingly jumping into the fray...

Lets do simple thought experiment, say time-travel back to 2008... you are the creator of bitcoin (instead of CIA) and there is only ever 10 total coins in circulation (but each coin is infinitely divisible into ever smaller pieces more decimals etc) and you randomly pick ten folks in the world to give these 10 coins to and you declare at the time that each coin is worth a dollar... so you just created 10 dollars worth of coins out of thin air, but like a piece of art, its worth is only measured when it is sold for real money... your coins by fiat declaration mean nothing until and unless your ten people can actually turn around and find buyers that willing to accept the coin in exchange for one dollar bills each. So the total amount of bitcoins and dollars both stayed the same during this transaction (not taking into account QE, Fed printer go brrrrr etc) and the only thing that changed is that some other sucker is left holding the bag, so to speak. In essence, instead of the original ten people holding the ten bitcoins that were merely fiat declared to be one dollar each, the original then now hold real dollar bills while the fake bitcoins got transferred to the new buyers and now is their hot potateos etc...

These ten new owners of bitcoin hype up demand for bitcoin by touting it as the next revolution in money and how it the greatest thing since sliced bread... and now they want to sell it for $10 each making total bitcoin market value /cap go from $10 to $100... they find willing suckers to buy, and they get the real $10 and the new suckers get the bitcoin....

A lot of analsyts in the real world think bitcoin can go up to a million bucks each... eventually they say...
 

quantumlight

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So lets imagine this above cycle repeating each time the bitcoin flips hand it goes up by 10x value again... very quickly after just six generations each bitcoin would be worth 1 million dollars...

Remember the fact that bitcoin has no instrinsic value of its own... unlike silver, or gold, it has no actual end application use. And unless a barrel of oil, bitcoin isn't a store of value/energy and unlike something new tech like fusion, it also doesn't help the world create more wealth via amplifying production etc... so a single bitcoin hasn't changed from when it was a dollar each but now its a million dollars each.... so its crazy that you would be forking over your life savings in exchange for this single coin that is instrinsically of zero value and has zero physical utility...

This is way crazier than the Tulpia mania at the height of whic ppeople were forking over entire houses for a single tulip contract without even seeing the tulpia .

Bitcoin is a pyramid scheme that requires constantly finding more and more suckers to buy in on the scam in order for it to work...

Now imagine in our earlier hypothetical thought experiment scenario that the entire simplified scaled-down world only had a 'nett worth' of about say 100 million dollars total... but bitcoin eventually grew to be 100 million market cap/value... so now the 100 million govenrment dollars has been diluted 50% since the rest of the money supply is in the form of 10 bitcoins worth 10 million each....

Look how quick the SEC, wall street, Robinhood, Google, Discord, Reddit worked to shutdown Gamestop because the poor people finally was making a quick buck at the expense of hedge funds that were praying on failing retailers by doing naked shorts...

If bitcoin was really a threat to the system it would have been banned and shutdown long ago... and don't tell me the NSA cannot crack the bitcoin encryption security they were the ones that wrote the ciphers!

Its looking like more and more, bitcoin was an excuse for the US govenrnment to get away with devaluing the US dollar whilst not causing a lose in faith of the petrodollar reserve currency, basically to have its cake and eat it too, the rise of bitcoin basically takes pressure off the dollar in terms of needing to hold its value... while still preserving the confidence so that it can still be the global reserve currency for global trade, allowing the US to continue to extract hegemon tax from the rest of the world while its controller opposition in the form of CIA bitcoin holds the coins on the other hand....
 

quantumlight

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Quantum light what are doing posting rumbling about bit coin in semiconductor thread Please taake your nonsense somewhere else this is not a place for some one with too many time on hand rumbling about bit coin It bother me !
Okay if the mods can move it to econ threads that would be better fit but it won't let me migrate the posts myself it seems...

fwiw, bitcoin is the first form of currency that runs entirely on semiconductors... without computers chips, no bitcoin... something to think about... and the irony is not lost on me in terms of the advancement of semiconductors in large part is due to the rise of bitcoin (if you read my long post I detailed this ) which makes the relationship ever more intricate and intermingled.
 
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