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US blocks companies aiding Chinese military's quantum computing efforts​

The US is taking extra steps to prevent China's military from claiming
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. The Commerce Department has added eight technology producers to its Entity List to prevent them from supporting the Chinese military's quantum computing efforts. Officials are concerned the entities could feed "emerging" US tech that could aid with
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focuses on a mix of companies and researchers, including QuantumCTek and the Hefei National Laboratory for Physical Sciences at Microscale. The US also added three affiliates of Corad Technology Limited, a Chinese firm on the list since 2019, although it wasn't clear that quantum computing was involved — it was also accused of backing Iran's military and space programs as well as North Korea "front companies."


The broader Entity List update included 27 organizations and people, including 13 in Pakistan accused of backing the country's "unsafeguarded" nuclear or ballistic missile programs.

This is unlikely to put a stop to China's military uses of quantum computing when the country may need to research and develop much of the technology in-house. The expanded blocklist might slow things down, however, by limiting China's access to American processors and other equipment that could fast-track development. Consider this a stumbling block that gives the US a better chance of
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"aiding military" is just a mere label to make it sound good. Intent is the same as always; to kill off competing players so that US companies alone exist and dominate in a "level" playing field.
 

gelgoog

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If you took the same consideration into US companies, i.e. that they are aiding the military, few would survive.
Amazon for example provides hosting services to the US military. If we talk about quantum computing you have US darling D-Wave which has sold machines to Lockheed Martin among others.
 

Xsizor

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ASML and TSMC originally teamed up to cut out Nikon, Canon and the Japanese producers. Now it's time for the Taiwanese and South Korean producers to be cut out. Basically the game is to cut out Asia from high tech and leave the entire supply chain in European/White American hands. Unfortunately for Asia, it is badly divided by internal rivalries while the US and Europe are heavily integrated and teamed up.
Unfortunately for Asia, it was complacent and short sighted in adopting technologies and standards set in the western hemisphere. European semiconductor production is nothing but a shell, relatively, today. Otherwise, EU wouldn't have scrambled to create a Semiconductor IC manufacturing objective. The only party here NOT mumbling in the immediate term would be USA and SK.
"aiding military" is just a mere label to make it sound good. Intent is the same as always; to kill off competing players so that US companies alone exist and dominate in a "level" playing field.
Hey, all is fair in war. I would've done the same thing. Arguably, China would've done the same thing if it had the roles reversed.
 

dingyibvs

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Unfortunately for Asia, it was complacent and short sighted in adopting technologies and standards set in the western hemisphere. European semiconductor production is nothing but a shell, relatively, today. Otherwise, EU wouldn't have scrambled to create a Semiconductor IC manufacturing objective. The only party here NOT mumbling in the immediate term would be USA and SK.

Hey, all is fair in war. I would've done the same thing. Arguably, China would've done the same thing if it had the roles reversed.

Yeah, nothing wrong with what they're doing. With that said, I was really hoping that the US would invest more in itself as a way to win in this competition rather than trying to tear China down. I love tech, and I was very much hoping of a replay of the US-Soviet space race where both countries invest massively in themselves and tech advances at lightning speed. I spend a good portion of my free time daydreaming of a futuristic world, and I'd love for that to involve the US where I live as well as China where I was born, but I find myself only plausibly daydreaming of a futuristic China :confused:

As for Asia, it's not realistic to expect occupied countries like Japan and SK to truly challenge their masters. We all know what happened when Japan got close. It really hasn't been long after Samsung and TSMC overtook Intel before the US started to act as well.
 

xypher

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ASML and TSMC originally teamed up to cut out Nikon, Canon and the Japanese producers. Now it's time for the Taiwanese and South Korean producers to be cut out. Basically the game is to cut out Asia from high tech and leave the entire supply chain in European/White American hands. Unfortunately for Asia, it is badly divided by internal rivalries while the US and Europe are heavily integrated and teamed up.
Aside from ASML, Europe is not a big player in the semiconductor market. All other parts are dominated by the US and Japan, while the most advanced fabs are in Taiwan & SK. Besides, there are only two companies in the world that can produce the necessary source for the EUV machine - Cymer (US) and Gigaphoton (Japan) - which is the key part of the machine. No part of the supply chain is really in the European hands.
 

Weaasel

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Aside from ASML, Europe is not a big player in the semiconductor market. All other parts are dominated by the US and Japan, while the most advanced fabs are in Taiwan & SK. Besides, there are only two companies in the world that can produce the necessary source for the EUV machine - Cymer (US) and Gigaphoton (Japan) - which is the key part of the machine. No part of the supply chain is really in the European hands.
And are Cymer and Gigaphoton so magical that none can replicate them? Germany put resources into doing so?
 

foxmulder

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I cannot believe how docile Chinese government is. Maybe it is my temper but I would have banned many many US companies with the exact same excuse if I were Chinese government just as a response. It is well know literally all tech companies are "helping" US military. lol.

China made a huge mistake by not responding heavily to very first Huawei ban which started in New Zealand and followed quickly by Australia then it spread like wild fire once US et al saw no response from China. It was a strategic mistake by China which cost billions of dollars to Chinese tech companies chiefly Huawei. China, after 300 years, still does not know how to respond to "barbarians" :)
 

Overbom

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I cannot believe how docile Chinese government is. Maybe it is my temper but I would have banned many many US companies with the exact same excuse if I were Chinese government just as a response. It is well know literally all tech companies are "helping" US military. lol.

China made a huge mistake by not responding heavily yo first Huawei ban which started in New Zealand and followed quickly by Australia then it spread like wild fire once US et al saw no response from China. It was a strategic mistake by China which cost billions of dollars to Chinese tech companies chiefly Huawei. China, after 300 years, still does not know how to respond to "barbarians" :)
Good thing you are not in the government then.
Chinese history shows that whenever it closed doors, things became bad.

Why close doors when China is confident? It will forever stay open and accept technological/economic cooperation with the rest of the world

You might think that the US is in position of strength, but them sanctioning so many companies it shows that they are afraid. The US is slowly taking the Soviet Union route by closing its economy to the 2nd biggest economy in the world and a powerful innovative country.

The US can ban whatever company it wants. China will keep following its own strategy. Trump and now Biden, are taking a failed approach towards China
 

Topazchen

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I cannot believe how docile Chinese government is. Maybe it is my temper but I would have banned many many US companies with the exact same excuse if I were Chinese government just as a response. It is well know literally all tech companies are "helping" US military. lol.

China made a huge mistake by not responding heavily to very first Huawei ban which started in New Zealand and followed quickly by Australia then it spread like wild fire once US et al saw no response from China. It was a strategic mistake by China which cost billions of dollars to Chinese tech companies chiefly Huawei. China, after 300 years, still does not know how to respond to "barbarians" :)
The Chinese government at least for now cant escalate the same the the Americans can as the eco system in China lacks depth at least for now .Americans working with her vassals can inflict real pain if it came to it so the strategy by Beijing is to buy time .I'm pretty sure that in 5 years ,we will start to see Chinese dismemberment of American tech leadership and only then will Chinese tech companies breathe and tit for tat ensue .
 

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