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subotai1

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Is that all you got It doesn't tell much. It does not say that Phillip only make medical stuff all .it doe not says the size of china share of their medical market. It does not have number or dollar value. So your assertion that Phillip has no manufacturing in China is nothing but BS My article clearly said the importance of Chinese market to Phillip and once again they don't just make tooth brush. I own Phillip TV, Audio made in China it still working after 6 years.

And they still manufacture most of their stuff in China . Another thing though Phillip is not major shareholder in ASML But Phillip was instrumental in the success of ASML by shepherding it thru the formative years and introducing the Asian market to ASML. Rescuing them from bankruptcy etc So they still have leverage with ASML management

I won't comment after this, because we are seriously derailing this thread.

2% of Philips revenue is non-healthcare related.
I never said they don't manufacture in China.
The small - personal consumer devices that comprises 30% of their revenue is the bulk of what Philips makes in China.
But it's not the larger more expensive and complex devices or software.

BUT you are also confusing something with a Philips name on it, with something Philips themselves makes. Philips licenses the name to whoever they think will represent the brand best. This happens a lot. And the revenue from that is in the 2% you see above.
 

superdog

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China's 1st domestically developed and manufactured DDR4 DRAM memory chip from
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is beginning its market release.

I haven't found any English report on this, so let me cap two screenshots from a
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, the pictures speak for itself if you're familiar with DIY PC building and DDR4 memories.

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Factory specs are 2666 1.2V 19-19-19-43, with simple XMP overclock (not hand tweaked to the limit) it reaches 3466 at 1.35V same timing. Comes in 8GB and 16GB sticks.

For those who have no idea what I just said, basically this is very mainstream and up-to-date PC memory performance. It is not comparable to some of the best chips like Samsung B-die marketed towards enthusiast overclockers, but for 99.9% of users the differences would be negligible in daily use.

This is seriously impressive for a new player.

To understand what an achievement this is, here is a little background:

The world's DRAM chips are currently dominated by a triopoly from Micron (US), Samsung (S Korea) and SK Hynix (S Korea). You can buy many different brands of memory sticks, but the vast majority (>95%) of their DRAM chips came from these 3 players. This is a well developed market with fierce competition, over the years many famous names including semiconductor giants from Taiwan, Japan and Europe were knocked out before the current triopoly took shape. So it not only takes technology know-how to make DRAM, building your own patent pool is a major challenge too.

In the past, China played 3 hands in its attempt to become self sufficient in making DRAM:
  • Path A: Tsinghua Unigroup attempted to buyout Micron
  • Path B: Fujian Jinhua partnered with Taiwan's Tainet for tech development
  • Path C: CXMT purchased tech and patents from Qimonda, the German player previously killed in competition
Path A quickly reached a dead end, of course the US government would never approve the sale of Micron to China.

Path B made a few turns and got stuck, Micron sued Fujian Jinhua for patent infringement due to similar tech direction, Tainet quits and the US government soon imposed strict export ban to the Chinese company.

Path C went real quiet, for a while it seemed like this is going to be another dead end. Then we got one news after another that the lithographic machines are in place, fab lines are ready, patent deals are signed and sorted, and a couple months later, the actual chips are out?

While the current outcome may not be planned from the beginning, it still reminds me the Chinese idiom
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So this is the DRAM situation, China is reaching mainstream competitive performance but need time to build market share.

Let's take a brief look at other crucial/major markets of computer components:

Logic processors:
Relatively weak in CPU, even more so in GPU, behind mainstream performance. Some exceptions do exist, they have competitive smartphone SoC and supercomputing processors. Huawei is also said to be developing in-house GPU.
Manufacturing is also weak but making progress, as discussed earlier in this thread on lithography.

Display:
China is a major supplier of LCD and OLED, mainstream performance reached, potential to become market leader. Manufacturing is equally competitive.

NAND (memory for long-term data storage):
Not in the mainstream market, but this could change very soon:
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China's NAND development is also very interesting, it seems that they caught up surprisingly fast just like with DRAM. From "no name new player" to mainstream market competitive in no time, if it lives up to the specs. When the actual product is out maybe I will write more.


The more I review these things, the more I understand why the US got anxious.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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The more I review these things, the more I understand why the US got anxious.
Many more sleepless nights await them.
Kind of, though I doubt they had high hopes about the Micron buy off at the first place.
What's happening with Fujian Jinhua now? They sunk a lot of money into their plant before the US sawed them off at the knees. Is there any plan to recoup those losses?
 

superdog

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Many more sleepless nights await them.

What's happening with Fujian Jinhua now? They sunk a lot of money into their plant before the US sawed them off at the knees. Is there any plan to recoup those losses?
I don't know, have not heard from them since the ban. Other efforts are still being made besides CXMT though, Tsinghua Unigroup has recently restructured to form their own DRAM business group so they're not giving up, but that's not related to Fujian Jinhua as far as I know.
 

duncanidaho

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China's 1st domestically developed and manufactured DDR4 DRAM memory chip from
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is beginning its market release.



In the past, China played 3 hands in its attempt to become self sufficient in making DRAM:
  • Path A: Tsinghua Unigroup attempted to buyout Micron
  • Path B: Fujian Jinhua partnered with Taiwan's Tainet for tech development
  • Path C: CXMT purchased tech and patents from Qimonda, the German player previously killed in competition
Path A quickly reached a dead end, of course the US government would never approve the sale of Micron to China.

Path B made a few turns and got stuck, Micron sued Fujian Jinhua for patent infringement due to similar tech direction, Tainet quits and the US government soon imposed strict export ban to the Chinese company.

Path C went real quiet, for a while it seemed like this is going to be another dead end. Then we got one news after another that the lithographic machines are in place, fab lines are ready, patent deals are signed and sorted, and a couple months later, the actual chips are out?

Didn't CXMT just sign some patent deals with Rambus? In which context can we look at these aggrements?

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Hendrik_2000

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SMIC raise war chest
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Chinese chip maker SMIC's US$3 billion Shanghai listing is a hedge to reduce company's reliance on US technology
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May 6, 2020, 4:30 AM CDT

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International Corp. (SMIC) is planning a Shanghai share sale that could fetch billions of dollars for a Chinese chip maker Beijing's counting on to help reduce reliance on US technology.
The Hong Kong-listed company known as SMIC surged 11 per cent, the most in more than two years, after its board approved plans to float as many as 1.69 billion new shares on a Shanghai market created to host fast-growing enterprises. It could end up raising more than US$3 billion based on its closing value of more than US$11 billion.


SMIC is one of several chip companies that embody Beijing's hope of creating a self-reliant and world-class semiconductor industry. It plans to use the proceeds to develop next-generation chipmaking to try and compete with Intel and Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. (TSMC). That effort comes at a time the Trump administration may tighten restrictions on the sale of technology to China, threatening to deny domestic companies like SMIC or
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access to crucial components and circuitry.
"Strategically, we believe SMIC is gradually severing ties to the US capital markets, as the tension between the US and China escalates because of Covid-19 and another round of trade war is brewing," Bernstein analysts wrote in a note
 

Rettam Stacf

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US semiconductor market research company IC Insights reports that HiSilicon’s sales surged 54 per cent year on year to about US$2.67 billion in the first quarter, placing it in the 10th position in global sales for the first time.

Huawei’s HiSilicon also recently surpassed Qualcomm to become the number one smartphone processor supplier in China for the first time, according to an earlier report by Chinese research firm CINNO.

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