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Chinese semiconductor industry
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There is a lot of research on using carbon instead of silicon. These include using carbon nanotube based transistors (IBM published some work on this several years ago), using diamond CVD coatings on silicon wafers, or using diamond wafers instead of silicon crystal wafers. But most of this is still highly experimental or not mass market enough. Last I heard there was no way to manufacture carbon nanotube transistors and deposit them on a wafer in large numbers in a cost effective manner. They initially were placing the nanotubes one by one. Later someone came up with a method similar to xeroxing where you magnetize the surface and then the nanotubes automatically align themselves when you deposit them but it was still highly error prone and a lot of the transistors were duds. Diamond CVD coatings are expensive and require special production facilities. Diamond wafers as used today are way smaller in diameter than silicon wafers because it is much harder to grow the crystals to the same size. So you basically cannot put as many chips on a wafer.
So basically the problem with all of these techniques is no one can manufacture them cheaply enough in a mass market way. In theory, diamond is a better heat conductor than silicon, and you can make faster switching electronics with it. So you could in theory make a CPU with faster clock speed with it. But you will still need some way to manufacture the chip. If you aren't using optical lithography, what will you use, and what will allow you to make small transistors with it?
So not to say they couldn't get this to work, but it might take a decade and who knows what silicon will be able to do by then. There are also people working on advanced kinds of silicon, like silicon nanotubes.
Meh. No need. They give competition which is good for promoting chinese companies competitiveness.
What China should do, is to "unofficially" require Ericsson to dramatically increase their local Chinese R&D investments, move some of their key personnel to China, and maybe even transfer their HQ away from Sweden.
China shouldnt be in the business of banning them. Ericsson still has value, so better for China to "absorb" it
No need to ban them now .The best revenge would be to make Ericsson as much dependent on China as possible while continuing to focus on the self sufficiency journey then 10 years from now when Huawei and China's ecosytem emerges stronger and better than the West's, destroy these companies via high quality tech products and services that will be irresistible .
Play the long game and focus on the battle at hand .Ericsson might be a beneficiary of these Huawei ban but it is not the problem.
I don't like the passive "no need" attitude. I see too much "no need", "do not play with fire", "winning without fighting" risk-averse, inaction-preferring attitude on the forum. Even if no need, why not. You do things even when you don't need to. No need not to.
There are plenty of other countries which can give China competition. China has competition among Chinese companies too. Besides, the main issue isn't competition in China. It's the matter of Chinese companies being denied access to other markets, which means lack of competition in overseas markets.
This is an issue with Sweden, rather than Ericsson. What I suggest is banning Swedish companies, including but not specifically targeting Ericsson. Then it will incentivize Ericsson to move out of Sweden. Also considering that China and Sweden have different industry profile, so targetting the Swedish equivalent of Chinese one isn't always effective. CEO of Ericsson once reportedly said Ericsson would leave Sweden if Huawei is banned. That's because he was afraid of losing Chinese market. If China doesn't take proper actions on Ericsson, Ericcson wouldn't worry. Plus it gives other countries a sign that it's okay to follow Sweden.
What plenty of countries and companies?
There are only Huawei, ZTE, Ericsson, Nokia
Huawei and ZTE are Chinese. If you ban Ericsson you are only left with Nokia lol
So thats only 1 competitor for the Chinese companies. This is not long term beneficial for China.
Time for Ericsson to do what it said it would do. Huawei is banned so Ericsson should pack up its HQ AND R&D and move them out of Sweden.
If they do, then China can sit and do nothing more if Ericsson swifts its R&D and investements in China.
Dont worry, Ericsson will drop Sweden like a hot potato if China instructs it to do so. What more can damage Sweden than one of its biggest tech companies leaving Sweden?
Thats your "retaliation with Chinese characteristics" right here
Ericsson uses Huawei components and IP, so Sweden and other nations using Ericsson are indirectly using Huawei.
China's first silicon carbide vertically integrated industrial chain put into operation
By Global Times Published: Jun 23, 2021 11:55 PM
Hunan San'an Semiconductor Base photo: Web
China's first and the world's third silicon carbide vertically integrated industrial chain will be put into production in Changsha High-tech Industrial Park in Central China's Hunan Province in July, media reports said. Industry insiders said it marks a further step in developing the domestic semiconductor sector and ensuring supply amid the US blockade targeting China.
The plant will be capable of producing 30,000 6-inch silicon carbide wafers per month once put into operation.
After completion, the Hunan San'an Semiconductor Base is expected to achieve annual sales of 12 billion yuan, media reports said.
This mass production will be of great significance for China's third-generation semiconductor chip industry, experts said.
The new industrial chain will not only help to alleviate the chip shortage but will also develop the domestic market for chips that are used in battery-powered products, Shen Xiaoliang, deputy general manager of the National Integrated Circuit Innovation Center, told the Global Times on Wednesday.
The chips can be used in multiple fields involving advanced technologies, including communication, server power supply, solar power and smart power grids, while China's huge market and strong policy support for 5G, clean energy, electric vehicles and railways will provide a landing ground for the application of the advanced chips.
China has been speeding up the development of third-generation chips to counter the US sanctions and bans. There has also been a flood of capital into China since the government announced plans to support the industry in its 14th Five-Year Plan (2021-25) in September last year.
The National Third Generation Semiconductor Technology Innovation Center (Nanjing) was officially inaugurated on Monday, with the aim of building an internationally advanced, independent and self-developed third generation semiconductor industry base.
In 2020, the overall output value of China's third-generation semiconductor sector exceeded 710 billion yuan.
China has competitive advantages in terms of raw materials and production equipment for silicon carbide, and does not need to rely on supply from other countries, Shen said, adding that there is strong potential for growth.
Just ban Ikea, just to send a message. Then set up a Chinese version of Ikea furniture store.
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