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ansy1968

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You want proof. There are still many Chinese factories that bought foreign branded machine tools. Be it from Germany or Japan or Taiwan or US. They also bought many domestic machines. Do you think Chinese government have forgot the machine tools ban that they have experienced before?
@Kazuo Ken is this question directed to me? if not let me answer it, bro most of them are being produced inside China itself, since the Chinese had the Core competency regarding CNC, its not a threat anymore so the sanction had been lifted, the same thing will also happen regarding semi conductor equipment, with SMEE 28NM DUVL coming online, ASML will not sanction their DUVL machine cause the Chinese had their own equivalent and will salvage sales to earn from it. Now if you deny me before will I trust you again? that question will linger on the minds of the Western and Japanese executive.
 

voyager1

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If US have leverage they will after CAS. Many inside CAS is brilliant researcher in China. Its US survival at stake they not gonna be soft.

Before CAS is more towards working with western counterpart in many field. But after tech war they already making statement towards self sufficient.

Who know US feeling threatened by CAS. They will passed some ridiculous law to sanctions or limit ability CAS to operate. Don't forget, china isn't allowed to join ISS. Many world project like Hadron collider, nuclear fusion and etc will banned CAS to involved. Of course there's is mirror project inside China. On Science field interaction sometimes bring spark.
This is very unlikely. The EU wont agree with the US on that. China has been paying billions of dollars for the ITER fussion project, and in CERN Chinese have good relationship with the Europeans. It is not as easy as you think to completely ban it.

Anyway, this is offtopic so I wont comment any further on this matter
 

Oldschool

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China has a 150watts EUV prototype.

For DUV

6kHz 60W ArF is RS266
4kHz 40W KrF is RS244S
4kHz 40W ArF is RS244
4kHz 20W ArF is RS222

In addition, U precision dry double-workpiece stage has begun mass production at the end of last year. The annual output of dry-type and immersed double-workpiece stages is about 12. Its laser annealing and other equipment have been supplied to manufacturers such as BYD in batches.
 

ansy1968

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Indonesia also gave one of the line to Japan. India have chosen Japan hsr system. Although Japan is slow in securing international contracts. Malaysia doesn't have hsr. US still questionable. ECRL in Malaysia is just a semi high speed train. ETS is using Chinese train.
@Kazuo Ken the Japanese were gutted they think they had the lucrative contract in their hands until Jokowi made a masterstroke move by inviting the Chinese...LOL and boy they were caught overpricing their product even though with terms of favorable repayment period and the low interest rates (likely baits to secure the contract). They were ask to match the Chinese offer but refuse believing that the Indonesian will accept their terms due to better technology (which is not the Chinese offer their latest HSR train) they under estimate the intelligence of the Indonesian, believing in their own belief of being superior and that is where Japan right now, they are not competitive cause they are protected by their gov't. The pressure are not there and are inflexible.
 
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voyager1

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@Kazuo Ken the Japanese were gutted they think they had the lucrative contract in their hands until Jokowi made a masterstroke move by inviting the Chinese...LOL and boy they were caught overpricing their product even though the terms of favorable repayment period and the low interest rates. They were ask to match the Chinese offer but refuse believing that the Indonesian will accept their terms due to better technology, they under estimate the intelligence of the Indonesian, believing in their own belief of being superior and that is were Japan right now, they are not competitive cause they are protected by their gov't. The pressure are not there and are inflexible.
Yeah the whole Indonesia HSR matter was hilarious hahaha.

You could just see the Japanese percieved superiority by having such a high price for their "muh technology" lol

Now see Indonesia, construction is going well, and from I hear the government is satisfied. And this way, another happy Chinese customer was born :cool:
 

Kazuo Ken

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@Kazuo Ken is this question directed to me? if not let me answer it, bro most of them are being produced inside China itself, since the Chinese had the Core competency regarding CNC, its not a threat anymore so the sanction had been lifted, the same thing will also happen regarding semi conductor equipment, with SMEE 28NM DUVL coming online, ASML will not sanction their DUVL machine cause the Chinese had their own equivalent and will salvage sales to earn from it. Now if you deny me before will I trust you again? that question will linger on the minds of the Western and Japanese executive.
What I mean here Chinese government will not going to play revenge game by ousting foreign manufacturers after they have mastered a technology just because they have experienced a ban or sanction before. They let market or customer decide. Remember the story of Samsung in China?

And it was not ASML who put the stop to the sale of Lithography machine. It was US government's order. It's not an empty order. It came with consequences to anyone who disobey the order. Get the license to sell your machine or get fine.
 

caudaceus

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China market is for Chinese companies. Let's them compete with each other in international markets. So far its fair and square if we take HSR for example. CRRC isn't too dominant outside of China.
I read something from macro polo. The reason why CRRC isn't too dominant may be similar to why wind turbines won't be as well. It's not a consumer commodity.

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Kazuo Ken

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@Kazuo Ken the Japanese were gutted they think they had the lucrative contract in their hands until Jokowi made a masterstroke move by inviting the Chinese...LOL and boy they were caught overpricing their product even though with terms of favorable repayment period and the low interest rates (likely baits to secure the contract). They were ask to match the Chinese offer but refuse believing that the Indonesian will accept their terms due to better technology (which is not the Chinese offer their latest HSR train) they under estimate the intelligence of the Indonesian, believing in their own belief of being superior and that is where Japan right now, they are not competitive cause they are protected by their gov't. The pressure are not there and are inflexible.
Talking about government protection we can say the same thing to CRRC too. Almost all trains in China were coming from CRRC. Government protection and preferential. The problem with Japan is that they always demanding premium or high price. Just like Sony with their smartphone. Maybe its because the effect of cost of living in Japan. Very expensive.
 

ansy1968

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What I mean here Chinese government will not going to play revenge game by ousting foreign manufacturers after they have mastered a technology just because they have experienced a ban or sanction before. They let market or customer decide. Remember the story of Samsung in China?

And it was not ASML who put the stop to the sale of Lithography machine. It was US government's order. It's not an empty order. It came with consequences to anyone who disobey the order. Get the license to sell your machine or get fine.
@Kazuo Ken Bro definitely but the CPC will strongly advise state firm to buy domestic and gently persuade the private sector to do the same, But bro private enterprise will not allow themselves to be blackmail again, like I said from my previous post, the question is being ask to Western and Japanese executive, you denied me before will I ever trust you again, that experience is a hard lesson learn.
 

ansy1968

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Yeah the whole Indonesia HSR matter was hilarious hahaha.

You could just see the Japanese percieved superiority by having such a high price for their "muh technology" lol

Now see Indonesia, construction is going well, and from I hear the government is satisfied. And this way, another happy Chinese customer was born :cool:
@voyager1 while Indian one is still on the planning stage and the Indonesian due to their Chinese experience want the Japanese to work with the Chinese on their project....HAHAHA now that is what we called a SLAP in the FACE...LOL
 
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