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AndrewS

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free_6ix9ine said:
See I agree with you that we will never be friends with the US,
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Never is a very long time.
What happens if/when China is a hi-tech economy that is 2-3x larger than the USA?
There's pointless for the the US to have a hostile China policy.

but "curtailing" bad trade practices doesnt mean full on cold War where the US cuts off all technology to China and forces the EU to do the same or the US will withdraw military forces in Europe and leave the EU to the devices of putin.

Trust me, if push comes to shove, the EU will swallow their pride and submit to whatever Trump wanted them to. Because Russia is an existential threat to Europe. The EU is more or less a client state of the US, both militarily and economically. They really have no choice unless they develop an European defense Force or makes peace with Russia. Which politically is even more untenable than just surrendering to Trump and the US.
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Russia is NOT an existential threat to Europe.
Economically, the European Union is 11x or 4x larger, depending on how you measure it.
Militarily, Russia would only get as far as Poland, leaving the vast majority of Europe intact and at war with Russia.

Remember the EU also has an economy which is comparable in size to the USA.

So the EU doesn't have to submit to whatever Trump wants.
 
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Trump hasnt pulled the trigger yet on the nuclear option which is NATO withdraw, mainly because Republicans aren't on board because it makes him look like a Russian puppet. But if he actually make good on that promise, the EU will surrender because they have no option.
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If NATO was dissolved tomorrow, the French would celebrate with fireworks in the streets.

The EU will not surrender, because they are a lot bigger than Russia, although less unified.

And remember that France also has nukes, so Russian nuclear blackmail doesn't work.
 
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Got it ok. So not quite there yet for 5nm. What do you think is the smallest node possible? I heard that 3nm essentially is the last node that makes economic sense.

I heard past 7nm, there is issue of silicon losing its semiconducting properties or something where it becomes a conductor at all times meaning you can't turn it off.

Plus your thoughts on 7nm vs 5nm. I heard 5nm is more a marketing ploy than anything else. It doesn't represent a true physical decrease in size.

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There are claims that 1.5nm can be achieved by the late 2020s (though with rising R&D costs for shrinking nodes) and quantum tunneling, it might not be credible to go that far.

As for 5nm, that would depend a fair amount on the chip design.

Carbon nanotubes, which have a diameter of about 1nm, IIRC, might be more practical.
 
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There are claims that 1.5nm can be achieved by the late 2020s (though with rising R&D costs for shrinking nodes) and quantum tunneling, it might not be credible to go that far.

As for 5nm, that would depend a fair amount on the chip design.

Carbon nanotubes, which have a diameter of about 1nm, IIRC, might be more practical.
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Carbon nano tubes was something I was interested in. Sounds like it isn't a complete redesign of existing chip technology but more of a change in material, so it can be adapted to current fabs.Do you think there could be a commercially viable carbon tube chip in the next few years that can outperform silicon chips?
 
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TSMC will lose China market in the future though current US market is certainly bigger for them. There is no legal justification for US actions. Once TSMC bought a machine, it bought it. So, can do whatever it wants including burning it :) Equipment purchases are not licences/leases but *purchases*.
 
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Carbon nano tubes was something I was interested in. Sounds like it isn't a complete redesign of existing chip technology but more of a change in material, so it can be adapted to current fabs.Do you think there could be a commercially viable carbon tube chip in the next few years that can outperform silicon chips?
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Probably won't see any commercial products by 2030 (though I could be very wrong).
 
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