Chinese semiconductor industry

gadgetcool5 said:

Isn't the Ascend 910 a GPU announced before Huawei got sanctioned in 2019?

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Not only is it very old, but Huawei probably lacks the ability to manufacture it now. If they are using it today, then it is probably legacy copies that were made for them before the ban. Which means they have limited quantities and are unable to improve the hardware. If anything, the fact that Ascend 910 is still China's best GPU proves that the sanctions succeeded in stopping Huawei in its tracks.

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gadgetcool5 said:

Isn't the Ascend 910 a GPU announced before Huawei got sanctioned in 2019?

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Not only is it very old, but Huawei probably lacks the ability to manufacture it now. If they are using it today, then it is probably legacy copies that were made for them before the ban. Which means they have limited quantities and are unable to improve the hardware. If anything, the fact that Ascend 910 is still China's best GPU proves that the sanctions succeeded in stopping Huawei in its tracks.

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staplez said:

Now this is conjecture, but it would appear Huawei isn't renaming their products even though they're improving. For example the Huawei Ascend 920 started with about 256 TFLOPs but now is being sold with 300 TFLOPs. Similarly, Huawei is still selling phones with Kirin 710 chips, but they too have been getting faster and faster.

So what I would glean from all of this is that Huawei is just lying about their products. How and where is Huawei getting all these 7nm chips is anyone's guess at this point. But it makes sense that Huawei is straight up hiding what they're making. No need to excite USA, better to just keep producing and improving.

It's like China's super computers. China was first to exascale, but they're not reporting it anywhere. Why let USA know where you actually are?

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tphuang said:

Please look at the specs. It's upgraded from 256 TFLOPS to 320 TFLOPS. It's even more powerful than the vaunted A100. And there will be an Ascend 920 coming. Make your own conclusion on what this means, but I think it's pretty obvious.

Ascend-910 is a legit great GPU if it isn't obvious by now. It's competitive by itself in a Atlas-900 PoD vs H100 POD. What does that tell you? Huawei is building a new data center of 16 EFLOPS. These are all things we can prove from video slides. I've watched those videos explicitly and took screenshots.

More importantly unlike some of these other GPUs, Huawei chips are fully integrated with MindSpore, their AI framework and there are 1.5 million Ascend developers. That's why majority of data centers in China pick them


who told you they are selling phones with Krin-710 chips? Do you have a Huawei page that shows that?

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staplez said:

Here's an article I found on it.

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There was something on the Huawei Central webpage that talked about it too and which phones, but I can't seem to find it anymore.

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tphuang said:

Please look at the specs. It's upgraded from 256 TFLOPS to 320 TFLOPS. It's even more powerful than the vaunted A100. And there will be an Ascend 920 coming. Make your own conclusion on what this means, but I think it's pretty obvious.

Ascend-910 is a legit great GPU if it isn't obvious by now. It's competitive by itself in a Atlas-900 PoD vs H100 POD. What does that tell you? Huawei is building a new data center of 16 EFLOPS. These are all things we can prove from video slides. I've watched those videos explicitly and took screenshots.

More importantly unlike some of these other GPUs, Huawei chips are fully integrated with MindSpore, their AI framework and there are 1.5 million Ascend developers. That's why majority of data centers in China pick them


who told you they are selling phones with Krin-710 chips? Do you have a Huawei page that shows that?

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gadgetcool5 said:

Isn't the Ascend 910 a GPU announced before Huawei got sanctioned in 2019?

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Not only is it very old, but Huawei probably lacks the ability to manufacture it now. If they are using it today, then it is probably legacy copies that were made for them before the ban. Which means they have limited quantities and are unable to improve the hardware. If anything, the fact that Ascend 910 is still China's best GPU proves that the sanctions succeeded in stopping Huawei in its tracks.

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tonyget said:

Ascend-910 was fabricated by TSMC 7nm process，I wonder how much stockpile still left

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"You also have to think about this from a strategic level," the author said. "There's no way China would have blocked any chips from Micron if it would cause extreme damage to the Chinese economy. Obviously, they have probably set up supply chains in place and have chips made in China that are maybe not equal in quality to Micron, but close enough so that they could handle the impact of no more Micron chips coming to China."

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