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SilentObserver

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The only way the West can prevent China from dominating is if they don't buy any. Does that really matter? They talk as if they can stop China from making chips. China has the money. China can make every technology needed to produce chips. It's only a matter of time. Dominating them isn't something necessary for China. Independence from them is necessary for China. Some members in here will try to brainwash you into thinking the West needs to use it in order to be successful. Again they try to make people think their acceptance is most important. You can make the best chip in the history of the world, but if the West doesn't use it, you failed and you should stop? You have to be an idiot to follow that logic when all that matters is you have the best chip in the world. If it's that simple, why are they worried about China's domestic chip industry if it needs the West's acceptance to succeed? Just don't give your acceptance. They need China to believe that in order for it to work. It never even entered their thoughts that China could make its own chips or they would've foresaw this outcome. They thought if they deny chips to China, China will beg and submit to every one of their demands. It's that stupidity is to why they're in panic now. Anything short of large scale military aggression on their part ain't going to stop it.
We see this sort of arrogance from Western politicians but not necessarily the case for western experts in the field.

China being a viable competitor is still a new concept in the minds of many in politics. As ridiculous as it sounds, 20 years ago the western impression of China is that of the Qing dynasty, while some thought it's like in the days of the cultural revolution. Those that were involved international business had a more accurate view.

It's not easy for those that grew up in the cold war to change their perceptions. Politicians will try to think via analogy back to cold war strategy against the USSR or Plaza Accord against Japan. The same goes for the general population, thinking in familiar terms feels more secure and reassuring.

Now that the US tried some of strategies it used against USSR and Japan and realized it's not working to desired affect, it's scrambling for solutions.

As for the idea that US think China needs their acceptance because there's a thinking in the US that they created modern China and could destroy it as well.
 

BlackWindMnt

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The only way the West can prevent China from dominating is if they don't buy any. Does that really matter? They talk as if they can stop China from making chips. China has the money. China can make every technology needed to produce chips. It's only a matter of time. Dominating them isn't something necessary for China. Independence from them is necessary for China. Some members in here will try to brainwash you into thinking the West needs to use it in order to be successful. Again they try to make people think their acceptance is most important. You can make the best chip in the history of the world, but if the West doesn't use it, you failed and you should stop? You have to be an idiot to follow that logic when all that matters is you have the best chip in the world. If it's that simple, why are they worried about China's domestic chip industry if it needs the West's acceptance to succeed? Just don't give your acceptance. They need China to believe that in order for it to work. It never even entered their thoughts that China could make its own chips or they would've foresaw this outcome. They thought if they deny chips to China, China will beg and submit to every one of their demands. It's that stupidity is to why they're in panic now. Anything short of large scale military aggression on their part ain't going to stop it.
A large scale military aggression, where does the US organise a land invasion without having access or approval from Russia it would be impossible, a normandy beach landing in 2020s seems like sending men into a laser guided missile meat grinder.

The economy and tech war was the only option they probably took some white supremacy propaganda at heart and hoped for the best that the Chinese will never crack DUVL and EUVL.
 

AssassinsMace

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Large scale military aggression where from a land invasion without having access from Russia is impossible, a normandy beach like invasion in 2020s seems like sending men into a laser guided missile meat grinder. The economy and tech war was the only option they probably took some white supremacy propaganda at heart and hoped for the best that the chinese will never crack DUVL and EUVL.

China can destroy Taiwan's technological economy with a surgical strike without an invasion. The US can do that to China but it will be large scale given China is bigger. Recently there was that story that Taiwan will destroy their own high tech industry if China attacks so it doesn't fall into China's hands. China can fake an imminent invasion and Taiwan will destroy itself. Without their technology, Taiwan becomes worthless for the US.
 

GodRektsNoobs

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We see this sort of arrogance from Western politicians but not necessarily the case for western experts in the field.

China being a viable competitor is still a new concept in the minds of many in politics. As ridiculous as it sounds, 20 years ago the western impression of China is that of the Qing dynasty, while some thought it's like in the days of the cultural revolution. Those that were involved international business had a more accurate view.

It's not easy for those that grew up in the cold war to change their perceptions. Politicians will try to think via analogy back to cold war strategy against the USSR or Plaza Accord against Japan. The same goes for the general population, thinking in familiar terms feels more secure and reassuring.

Now that the US tried some of strategies it used against USSR and Japan and realized it's not working to desired affect, it's scrambling for solutions.

As for the idea that US think China needs their acceptance because there's a thinking in the US that they created modern China and could destroy it as well.
Well, " Western experts" is a pretty loaded term. Consider that there are many "experts" that could ramble on and on about the supposed Chinese "atrocities," yet can't even recognize a Chinese social insurance card with words clearly printed on them. In my opinion, what you have described regarding Western ignorance of China is precisely the results of these "experts."
 

BlackWindMnt

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China can destroy Taiwan's technological economy with a surgical strike without an invasion. The US can do that to China but it will be large scale given China is bigger. Recently there was that story that Taiwan will destroy their own high tech industry if China attacks so it doesn't fall into China's hands. China can fake an imminent invasion and Taiwan will destroy itself. Without their technology, Taiwan becomes worthless for the US.
Yeah that would be a annoying stab but nothing lethal or defeating. It will only motivate China to push forward.
 

SilentObserver

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Well, " Western experts" is a pretty loaded term. Consider that there are many "experts" that could ramble on and on about the supposed Chinese "atrocities," yet can't even recognize a Chinese social insurance card with words clearly printed on them. In my opinion, what you have described regarding Western ignorance of China is precisely the results of these "experts."
To clarify by western experts I don't mean geopolitical, political, financial commentators but people that actually work in semi conductors, international trade, and industry specialists who make positive (fact based)and not normative statements.
 

Vichysoy

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Low birth rates are a "problem" even in the West. Most industrial countries are following Japan in that path.
But western now , still more strong than china , at least their gdp per carpital and china so far from this. If china is the biggest tech and economic , there is no problem . But China is still catching up the western many sections , economic, tech, gdp per capital ... even the culture . Now I see many young chinese welcome western film , but western not .How chinese can change that . I don't know , the low birth rate now is a part of this western culture . You think we liberate women ? I don't think so .
 
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