AeroEngineer
Junior Member
NOBODY WANTS the SU-35 !!!!
NOBODY !!!!!
This is a proven fact !!!
NOBODY !!!!!
This is a proven fact !!!
Chinese purchase of Su-35
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vesicles
Colonel
"Russia has not formally signed a contract to sell the Sukhoi Su-35S Flanker-E and S-400 surface-to-air missile system to China. Right now, Moscow has only agreed in principle to sell those advanced weapons to China.
“First of all, let’s be accurate. We have not sold yet,” said retired Lt. Gen. Evgeny Buzhinsky (Ret.), chairman of the executive board of Russia’s PIR Center
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I smell no sale in this one. Notice the tone and underlying language written lately?
Yep! So who should we believe now? A general/Chairman or a company official?
Endless negotiations...
So what happens to those 4 Su-35's that would have been delivered to the PLA by now?
I know I'm being sarcastic. The truth of the matter is that the Su-35, a fantastic fighter jet, no longer fits China's goals. It would be better off for the Russians to focus on someone else instead of China. This endless talk of China buying the Su-35 is hurting their image... Why doesn't the Indians want the Su-35?
The Indians want FGFA, their version of PAK-FA which the Russians promised to share design/intellectual property rights with them, to date NO Indian Pilot has flown PAK-FA??? yet the Russians took their money up front, not a lot, but it should have purchased a proto-type or two for the Indians.....
Nobody is coming out ahead here, lots of empty promises, not much effort to "deliver"!
The Chinese and Russians need one another, but its not a marriage of kindred souls!
So as Master JEFF HEAD has stated, likely not gonna happen,,,, March???? really??? March????
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Russia is no follower. They hold a grudge against the US over the Cold War. That's why Putin is popular. They're not going to all of the sudden throw all in for the US just because Trump is pro-Russia. Trump is out in 8 years at most. The anti-Trump sector of the US is not going to let up on Trump throughout his presidency and Russia will be used in their tactics against Trump. This gang up suggests doing something neither one would do before. Why is that? Because it could lead to war? So what makes it easier to do it together? Because it would divide the destruction costs among each other? And we are talking about using nukes because that is the only way China is eliminated as a threat. You think the US is okay with one nuke exploding on US territory? And if they don't destroy China completely, they'll have to worry about Chinese surviving forces building a nuke every now and then just launching it at any target around the world they now can carelessly do since they have nothing to lose. Anything less China can make US allies' lives next to China a living hell not to mention also all the radioactive fallout poisoning Asia and the rest of the world. People used how China wants to control the shipping lanes to destroy Western led economies...? China can do it without controlling shipping lanes since everything is made in China, right?
The world is a lot more complicated than some think or you wouldn't need anyone to partner with to do whatever? And you know what's holding people back from ganging up on China? Cowardice. Not at all an ingredient to the spine it takes to do it.
The world is a lot more complicated than some think or you wouldn't need anyone to partner with to do whatever? And you know what's holding people back from ganging up on China? Cowardice. Not at all an ingredient to the spine it takes to do it.
The Russians are characteristically neutral; they play all sides off each other. Delaying Su-35 transfers presents a card in play; if the US commits to full reapproachment, the Su-35 transfer can be cancelled and the guns can be pointed south. If not, the Su-35 delay was a sign of good will, and the full squadrons can still be transferred.
we need our resident Su-35 sales man to correct the General's apparent false statement because the contract was signed just not ratified."Russia has not formally signed a contract to sell the Sukhoi Su-35S Flanker-E and S-400 surface-to-air missile system to China. Right now, Moscow has only agreed in principle to sell those advanced weapons to China.
“First of all, let’s be accurate. We have not sold yet,” said retired Lt. Gen. Evgeny Buzhinsky (Ret.), chairman of the executive board of Russia’s PIR Center
"
I smell no sale in this one. Notice the tone and underlying language written lately?
btw, don't listen to what I just said.
Engineer
Major
What's going on is what has been going on for years. The Su-35 fan boys make noise about Su-35 being sold to China when nothing of the sort occurred. The media picks up on it, then fan boys quote those articles as "evidence".
The Su-35 is already obsoleted when it came out, but the fan boys living in fantasy land don't see that. The fan boys want to believe that Russia is still a leader in aerospace, and that China is still playing catch up. So, every single year, the fan boys make grand predictions about deliveries in the following year. Every year, no delivery takes place, and the fan boys do all sorts of mental gymnastics to explain how delivery get pushed to next year. Every year, the Su-35 gets more obsoleted and the chance of an actual deal going through diminishes.
That's why the fan boys get all butt-hurt when it comes to the J-20.
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Engineer
Major
And in March, we will see claims about deliveries to take place at end-of-year. Toward the end-of-year and after Zhuhai Airshow, we will again hear "let's wait until March of next year".
There will always be next year. The Su-35 fan boys think they can revise their prediction indefinitely to avoid having to admit being wrong. Yet, they are already wrong when their initial prediction failed to materialize.
Engineer
Major
The Su-35 is a fantastic fighter jet, but only for the Russians. It is fantastic for Russians not because the technologies it contains being special, but because this aircraft is the best that Russia could realistically field until PAKFA matures.
To China, the Su-35 offers nothing of value: China is already self-sufficient with AESA radar. China is already self-sufficient with engines at 8:1 thrust-to-weight ratio. China is self-sufficient with weapon systems. The only thing that Su-35 has which China doesn't is trust-vectoring, but thrust-vectoring was just a fad and turns out to be not-so-practical.
The Russians have to talk about China buying the Su-35 because no one else is buying the Su-35. It is safe for the Russians to do so because they know they won't be publicly humiliated by the Chinese. The Russians also want to claim to be #1, so naturally they have to first claim to be better than the current #2.
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