Chinese OS and software ecosystem

BlackWindMnt

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Huawei also has Linux based EulerOS (and openEuler as the open source version) which appears to be their OS of choice for backend services:
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I am not familiar with either but it seems that open Harmony can run in virtual environments according to the Google AI search results.
Im familiar with their EulerOS, but I do hope they will create something like a EulerHarmony or something like that I think you can attrack a lot of kernel developers this way.

Or people that will build new platforms on it I don't know something that can quickly spin up thousands of wasm functions for edge computing like Amazon firecracker..
 

daifo

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Is Huawei planning on using open harmony in their own cloud services?

Like running open harmony containers on open harmony. Because I think its important to dog food(using the OS) your own products after a while especially something as important as an operating system.

I don't think that is too important. Developers often program on mac os which is posix compliant and windows but still run their production off Linux servers.
 

daifo

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The Huawei PCs are a bit pricey yeah, but I think best outcome out of all this is if the cheaper PC makers adopt HarmonyOS so that even the cheapest $100 laptops have it preinstalled. That would be the nuts to see that happen.

HarmonyOS is likely exclusive to Huawei hardware. It is derived from OpenHarmony which others can build upon. However, I don't know how compatible the apps are between the 2 or if Huawei have some exclusive libraries they do not release. Huawei tablets which could be cheaper options has "pc mode" which runs some apps like wps as pc applications. Though I agree that Huawei should try to get some lower entry point to help mass adoption.
 

jnd85

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I mean the price for this is pretty expensive.

How many people are paying $3000 for PCs?

But the bigger question is the ecosystem. How quickly can they build all the apps needed. Certainly, they can replace MacBook in China if they have all the domestic software makers get apps ready.
I for one am completely not convinced that folding screens will ever be more than a fad. When it comes to durability I want something that lasts years, not months. When I do see these around, I can always see fatigue marks at the fold line, even on newer devices. Just not very appealing.
 

Michael90

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They really need to focus on mass sales and software ecosystem for students.

It would probably also help if there was an open harmony version for the backend services that can be easily run in a VM or the cloud for current set of developers.
I'm surprised they haven't actually thought about this first. I believed they would have started with such mass sales products first then later release more niche premium/expensive products after they have achieved more mass with the other mass eco-system. I actually thought they will release an open harmony version with the Harmony OS PC. I think its a big mistake not to have an open source version. Limits their adoption and market especially for a completely new player. I guess they won't be challenging American tech companies Micorosft, apple, androids anytime soon.
 

SanWenYu

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I'm surprised they haven't actually thought about this first. I believed they would have started with such mass sales products first then later release more niche premium/expensive products after they have achieved more mass with the other mass eco-system. I actually thought they will release an open harmony version with the Harmony OS PC. I think its a big mistake not to have an open source version. Limits their adoption and market especially for a completely new player. I guess they won't be challenging American tech companies Micorosft, apple, androids anytime soon.

Nah you are not thinking ahead of anyone. Huawei has apparently decided to take more cautious and measured steps:
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"方兴东:我认为目前关注度不宜过高,2019年和2020年的关注度是因为整个科技战激发了大家的情绪。其实当时还没有今天的鸿蒙,但大家误以为这个操作系统已经无所不在。

今天,对鸿蒙生态最重要的是用户稳步增长。如果大量关注导致用户突然涌入,反而可能导致体验不佳,进而引发失望。

生态建设需时间,用户应该逐步适应。不应该过度地迎合用户的期望和不切实际的需求。毕竟这是新系统和新生态,要与发展10多年的成熟系统生态竞争,目前还不到这个时候,必须有一个适应的平台期。"
 

BlackWindMnt

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I don't think that is too important. Developers often program on mac os which is posix compliant and windows but still run their production off Linux servers.
Sure it's not that important for now. But i think if you don't go this path HarmonyOS will always be a Tier 2 operating system/kernel. The mentality of building it for Open Harmony first might never set in a bit like building stuff for linux desktop. Also the more people that use open harmony for high performance computing and applications the more things will be found in the operating system/kernel that can or needs to be improved.
 

jnd85

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Sure it's not that important for now. But i think if you don't go this path HarmonyOS will always be a Tier 2 operating system/kernel. The mentality of building it for Open Harmony first might never set in a bit like building stuff for linux desktop. Also the more people that use open harmony for high performance computing and applications the more things will be found in the operating system/kernel that can or needs to be improved.
The underlying rationale for the OS itself may also pigeonhole it. It was conceived at a time when there were limited options for non-Android/iOS software, and Huawei's domestic market share may have made them cocky in a way that will hurt them in the long run. History is littered with the corpses of other phone OSes that tried to go it alone (Nokia with Symbian OS, Ubuntu with Ubuntu Touch, Palm OS, etc.)

If my memory is accurate, development started initially as a response to sanctions against using Android and the Android app market. While Huawei could have used a completely vanilla fork of Android, there were limited options and there would still be no access to the app store. My assumption at the time was that there was a strong desire to have a completely boutique Chinese OS with matching control over an app store, and that was the impetus to launching Harmony. But now there are GrapheneOS, /e/, CalyxOS, not to mention phone software shells for more traditional Linux distributions that have really been making a lot of progress in recent years.

My suspicion is that Harmony OS itself will in the long run either:
- be licensed to other Chinese or international vendors at an attractive price
- be used by other manufacturers after Huawei pays them to install the OS to increase user based and encourage development
- be a loss leader, relying on state backing, or be a vanity project of Huawei executives

Putting all of that aside, China tends to push ahead once leaders put their minds to something. So if there is a strong desire for a domestic controled OS, they will likely get it. It might not be Harmony OS, but sooner or later something will emerge that combines the developer framework, has enough high level backing, and is pleasant enough to use on a wide enough range of devices that it will take off. There might be several for that matter. Not all competitors face the same restrictions as Huawei though.
 
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