Chinese Internal Politics

sunnymaxi

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Not if the Chairman of the CPC title held by Mao is revived. It is currently inactive but if Xi has as much political capital as they think he has, it would elevate him above even Deng and on par with Mao.
as per some reports, Xi might revive Chairman post. do you think he is going to get that title ?
 

crash8pilot

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Isn't that a demotion for Chairman Xi Jinping since holding the position as GenSec of the party is a lot higher than the symbolic/ceremonial role of the titular role of the Presidency? Is my understanding of these roles correct or not?
In the Mainland, Xi is addressed as General Secretary Xi, or 习主席. He is not addressed as President Xi, or 习总统. In order to be Paramount Leader, one has to have control over the Party (General Secretary), the State (President), and the Military (Chairman of the CMC). The only position that had term limits was the Presidency until Xi came along. Due to Western influence, people get caught up with the title of President. Fact of the matter is that the title of President is merely a State title, it by itself has no say on Party affairs. Afaik there never has been term limits to the position of General Secretary, it was only the Presidency that had a two term limit until Xi came along.

As an illustration, Wang Qishan had to retire from the Standing Committee at the end of the 18th Party Congress due to age rules, and he stepped down from his party post of Secretary of the Central Commission for Disciplinary Inspection. However being a close ally of Xi, Wang was given the Vice Presidency for the 19th Party Congress, which I shall reiterate is a State title and not a Party position. On paper Wang theoretically has no say on Party affairs as Vice President.

1. Premier Li is going to retire this year as per his announcement in march 2022.
Yeah I remember that news but I don't recall exactly what Li said. He is retiring from the PM position for sure.
I believe Li Keqiang only stated that he will be stepping down as Premier. There may very well be the possibility of him staying on the Standing Committee and taking on another post whilst retaining his number 2 position. There are signs pointing to him winning political clout over the past month or so, whether it is enough to sustain momentum to remain in CPC elite politics... I don't know, but I'm not ready to dismiss the possibility of Li leaving despite the reservations I might have on his past policies.

Like I've said before, Premier is practically a minor position reserved for the execution of policy. The Premier and the State Council have limited to no say on the formation of policy itself.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Xi is not going anywhere. that guy predict, Li is going to assume GS post. actually Li himself confirmed in march about his retirement. LOL

its all nonsense by liberal Chinese.
It's too early to tell. He is indeed going to retire as Premier. There's no question about that. Doesn't mean he leaves politics altogether though he probably will. It's a long shot but not completely implausible.

Li is also not liberal... Not by a long shot. Simple example:

Li shook hands with openly gay businessman Ma Baoli just to show that HIV (stigmatized as a LGBT disease) is not transmitted by touch. If you know about the history of Li, he was governor of Henan during the 1990s AIDS outbreak there and HIV elimination has been a priority of his since then.

Meanwhile actual liberal Wang Yang deals with LGBT issues by joking about being gay married to US Treasurer Jack Lew o_O
 

sunnymaxi

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It's too early to tell. He is indeed going to retire as Premier. There's no question about that. Doesn't mean he leaves politics altogether though he probably will. It's a long shot but not completely implausible.

Li is also not liberal... Not by a long shot. Simple example:

Li shook hands with openly gay businessman Ma Baoli just to show that HIV (stigmatized as a LGBT disease) is not transmitted by touch. If you know about the history of Li, he was governor of Henan during the 1990s AIDS outbreak there and HIV elimination has been a priority of his since then.

Meanwhile actual liberal Wang Yang deals with LGBT issues by joking about being gay married to US Treasurer Jack Lew o_O
i didn't mean Li .. XD

i was talking about that guy, who predicted Xi is going to replace. this is a wet dream of some overseas liberal Chinese and anti-China western world. they desperately want to remove Xi ..
 

FairAndUnbiased

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as per some reports, Xi might revive Chairman post. do you think he is going to get that title ?
Too early to tell. It depends on his needs and the amount of political capital he has. Theoretically it would be useful in maneuvering Li Keqiang into a promotion where he can stay on as a nominal #2 to execute policy effectively.

It would also mean a signal that China has truly, 100% entered into the post Deng era and that there will be no more hiding of capability. It would signal Xi having the most political power of any leader since Mao and that China is prepared to use its power for good.

Personally, I like it. A bigger, bolder China that is unapologetic about its history is in the interest of not only Chinese people but all oppressed people's worldwide. Deng abolished the position due to being scared of historical parallels and as a signal to the rest of the world that China was stepping back. But there's now neither room to step back nor the need.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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i didn't mean Li .. XD

i was talking about that guy, who predicted Xi is going to replace. this is a wet dream of some overseas liberal Chinese and anti-China western world. they desperately want to remove Xi ..
Xi is not going anywhere. When Xi took office, I was worried that he wouldn't be able to resist pressure or be decisive, that he would favor capital, that he would not put national interests first. I was wrong.

You have to see who oppose Xi and why. In every account I've seen ranging from Cai Xia to Guo Wengui, the reason is, Xi is trying to remove the corrupt, the traitors and the exploitive. They put it as a "crackdown on dissidents" but how come so many of these dissidents happen to have boxes filled with cash? It's been proven over and over with the crackdowns on money draining industries like private tutors, crackdown on corruption and continuing Hu's purge of foreign agents.

So you have to think, if they're opposed to Xi because of his policy, what does that say about their own beliefs? And when you look at their profiles how come so many are escaped officials or corrupt businessmen? I mean is that a coincidence?
 

Biscuits

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Story is bizarre and makes no sense.

General Secretary is China's executive branch leader, and is also always the commander in chief. It is impossible for Li Keqiang to be the next General Secretary without also being commander in chief.

That's without even accounting for the fact that Li would be an unlikely candidate to begin with anyways.
 

Overbom

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MacroPolo assesses that Xi has gained a "super-majority" in the Politburo. Third term is almost a certainty
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In this final analysis before revealing our projections for the 20th Politburo Standing Committee (PBSC), we revisit the criteria for promotion in the context of the 161 personnel changes our Selection 2022
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Based on this examination, we find that Xi has secured what amounts to a “super majority” in the upcoming Politburo—the 25-member body at the apex of political power—all but ensuring his third term.

We’ve already systematically analyzed the main criteria—age, network, and career experience—that determine a CCP politician’s political fortunes. Now let’s see how well they apply to the 161 personnel changes.

All personnel changes so far have strictly followed the retirement rule, making age still one of the strongest norms (see Table 1). At this rate, we estimate that at least 80% of the new 20th Central Committee (CC) will be composed of the post-60s generation of politicians.
Among the personnel changes, there is a notable network effect of promotions within Xi’s orbit. That orbit is defined as those that have first or second connections to Xi, as well as those who owe their positions to his patronage. By that count, Xi’s network will likely constitute some 90% of the new Politburo, scoring a decisive super majority.
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Jiang ZeminFanboy

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Article written by Cai Xia, in perspective of as she describe herself
Last are the subfactions on the right, which in the Chinese context means liberals who advocate a market economy and a softer form of authoritarianism (or even, in some cases, constitutional democracy). This camp, which I belong to, is the least powerful of the three. It includes followers of Hu Yaobang and Zhao Ziyang, party leaders under Deng.

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