Chinese infantry fighting vehicles


Sunbud

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Sure but being rugged dont cost 30x in most items. I am sure gun rangefinder should be below 1000usd too.
Another major difference is these manufacturers cannot achieve the economy of scale a commercial golf range finder can.
Being able to make a few million units a years vs a few thousand. All adds up.

a t-shirt can cost a couple dollars, print 30 of your own design and it can cost many times more.
 

steel21

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Another major difference is these manufacturers cannot achieve the economy of scale a commercial golf range finder can.
Being able to make a few million units a years vs a few thousand. All adds up.

COTS
12.7mm or 50CAL can easily reach up to 1500m in effective range. I don't see an golf range finders capable of reaching beyond 3-400 yards, since golf course rarely have a straight away or line of sight that far. So you are unlikely to find a comparable commercial model.
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Purpose
If you missed a shot, you might not win the golf tournament, but if you misidentified a target and shot up some non-combatants, then the repercussions and penalties are vastly higher.

RWS have 2-3 primary purpose:
1. Leave the operator in the hull/chassis to provide ballistic protection.
2. Depending on the caliber, provide immediate security to the vehicle. Such as the rear RWS on Marder.
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3. Provide offensive capability through sensor integration.

1 and 2 can mostly be achieved with low end COTS. 3rd goal will have to use some high end sensor, ballistic and sensor solutions.
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Application
RWS are mostly used in MOUT and urban operations. If the intent is for high intensity peer level fight, then RWS might not be that relevant/useful.
 

lgnxz

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If the intent is for high intensity peer level fight, then RWS might not be that relevant/useful.
Neither does a manual MG, so why still bother putting them then? For every scenario/doctrine that still justify the existence of these manned machine gun, a RWS is just a straight upgrade from it. If you think there are scenarios where RWS is useless/irrelevant then what does it say if you have a manual MG instead then? Like I said, just remove the MG completely then if you fully believe in this doctrine, put more armor/ERA on the top plates, or just pure sensors/quality of life tools. Yet this is not happening, isn't it?
 

mglcz

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Neither does a manual MG, so why still bother putting them then? For every scenario/doctrine that still justify the existence of these manned machine gun, a RWS is just a straight upgrade from it. If you think there are scenarios where RWS is useless/irrelevant then what does it say if you have a manual MG instead then? Like I said, just remove the MG completely then if you fully believe in this doctrine, put more armor/ERA on the top plates, or just pure sensors/quality of life tools. Yet this is not happening, isn't it?
Totally agree, those are just excuses to avoid spending a little bit more money in RWS.
 

TK3600

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And soldiers will pay in lives in battle. They will start installing the moment war starts.

Another view is they are procrastinating. No immediate need for them in war. The recent install on cheaper IFV means they now intend to install RWS as standard, they just delay put on tank to save money for other stuff.
 

by78

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A remote weapon station of an unknown type is seen on a factory floor. The outline and shapes don't match any existing RWS. The size of it tells me that it mounts an autocannon. The shade of 'domestic' green might mean that it's destined for domestic IFVs, possibly a new generation of wheeled or tracked IFVs, some of which we have seen recently.

 

Aniah

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PAP dismounted marching formation with Mengshi-III vehicles. Note the CS/LS7 submachine gun in the last image.



Has the new SMG been fully accepted yet or is it still being tested along the other 2 new SMGs?
 

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