Chinese-European transport helo project

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this is in an interesting piece, China exported 4 Z-9s to Kenya
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本报讯(通讯员 黄丽娟)历经一年多的努力,日前,哈飞销售部正式对外发布消息:已经购买12架运十二飞机的用户——肯尼亚,又一次购买了4架该公司生产的直九直升机,成为哈飞的回头客。

肯尼亚购买直九直升机的项目启动于2006年年底,得到消息后,哈飞与中航技密切配合,快速反应,主动登门与潜在用户沟通情况,推介哈飞直九直升机。2007年12月,肯尼亚就此项目启动国际招标。同时参加竞标的公司有哈飞、法国欧洲直升机公司和意大利阿古斯塔直升机公司。

面对强大的竞争对手,哈飞积极应对,他们一方面在分析用户需求的基础上制作高水平标书,另一方面在肯尼亚派出评估组深入工厂进行评估时,以“全员营销”的理念,集全厂之力为评估小组进行了出色的试验飞行。经过多方努力终于赢得用户信赖,继上世纪90年代购买12架运十二飞机之后,肯尼亚用户再一次将橄榄枝抛向哈飞。今年6月11日,中航技代表中方与肯尼亚正式签署4架直九直升机的购销合同。之后,哈飞又与中航技经过多次谈判签署了这4架直九直升机的包销合同。

据悉,9月10日,肯尼亚已将预付款支付到哈飞账户,4架直升机已经投产,计划于2009年11月15日前全部交付。

截至目前,哈飞直九机已出口马里、毛里塔尼亚、巴基斯坦、老挝、肯尼亚5个国家共18架。
It didn't say whether or not this is military, but it did say that Harbin AC beat out Eurocopter and Agusta for this order. Outside of this, Harbin has also exported Y-12 to kenya. All of them will be delivered by November of 2009.
 

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Just found this at the Key-forum:

Russian arms maker Oboronprom and China's AVICopter signed a memorandum to jointly develop a civilian heavy helicopter. "We've had the blueprints, and they have the money," said Ilya Yakushev, a spokesman for Oboronprom, referring to China. China wants to develop and produce the helicopter, whose weight will be around 30 tons, on its own territory, said Russian Helicopters, Oboronprom's helicopter manufacturing subsidiary.

China is ready to finance the project, said the company, adding that any details were up for negotiation. The Mi-46 helicopter currently being developed in Russia could provide the basis for the new aircraft, the company said in a statement.

Russian Helicopters also signed a framework agreement to sell four older, Mi-26 heavy helicopters to China, the world's largest helicopter importer, the company said.

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well i guess the earthquake really gave the people in office a wake up call on the lack of numbers of helicopters, and weight class. i wonder why their only ~400 helicopters in the entire China? they could've kept manufacturing the Z-9, but it seems that the rate of Z-9 being built is low. most likely waiting on the Z-15, and don't want anymore or much insufficient helicopters being put to service, and then soon after being replaced.
 

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more on the mi-46 deal
Moscow. October 30. INTERFAX-AVN - A memorandum signed between Russia's
United Industrial Corporation Oboronprom and Chinese company AVICopter
in Moscow on Oct. 28 envisions the joint development and commercial
production of a heavy civilian helicopter with a designed takeoff weight
of about 30 tons, a source from the Russian military industrial sector
told Interfax.
"The Chinese have been buying the heavy Mi-26 helicopters from us, but
they want to develop their own more state-of-the-art model and arrange
its production with our assistance," the source said.
China is interested in the joint project to build a heavy helicopter, as
well as obtaining a license to launch commercial production at its own
enterprises, he said.
The envisaged helicopter could be based on the Mi-46 helicopter
currently being developed by the Moscow Helicopter Plant, the source
said
"The Chinese market for such helicopters is about 300. Taking into
account the size of the country and its population, they plan to use
these helicopters for transporting passengers and cargo, and also in the
construction sector and in rescue operations - the recent earthquake in
Sichuan showed the need for building up the [country's] fleet of heavy
helicopters," he said.
The implementation of the project would help Russian helicopter
producers advance their R&D on heavy helicopters, the source said.
Russia is the only country in the world producing helicopters capable of
carrying 20 tons. European companies have only recently started working
in the area.
"In regards to the [other] protocol signed between the company
Helicopters of Russia and China National Aero-Technology Import and
Export Corporation (CATIC), it envisions the sale of four Russian Mi-26
heavy helicopters to China," he said.
I guess not much except confirming the 4 Mi-26 deal
 

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This is surprising, only 1 mi-26 is said to be signed here, even though 4 was stated in previous reports.
Nov. 04, 2008Print | E-mail | Home Helicopter Contract Signed with China
The Rostov Helicopter Production Complex (Rosvertol) signed a contract for the delivery of a Mi-26TS helicopter, the best-selling helicopter in the world, to China at Airshow China 2008 on Tuesday. A number of documents connected with helicopter deliveries were also signed.
“This is the second contract for the delivery of Russian Mi-36 helicopters to China,” Rosvetol general director Boris Slyusar told Interfax. “The first was signed in August 2006 for the leasing of a Mi-26 helicopter to a Chinese company for three years. Later, the Chinese company bought it outright. We signed the transfer for it today too.”

The cost of the contract was not revealed. Experts estimate that the cost of single Mi-26 helicopter is $20-25 million, depending on options.
 

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Hey ... the first fuselage of the EC.175 / Z-15 is finished !! :cheers:


Harbin, Nov.16 (China Defense Mashup Report) — In the morning on Nov.15, 2008, Haifei Group (Harbin Aircraft Industry Group) held ceremony to celebrate the delivery of first fuselage of Z-15 helicopter, which is a joint venture of Sino-french project. Hundreds of Hafei employees and European experts witnessed the historical moment.

The Eurocopter EC175 (also Harbin Z-15) is a 7-ton class medium utility helicopter being developed by Eurocopter and Harbin Aircraft Industry Group (HAIG). Formally launched at EC175 at Heli-Expo in Houston on 24 February 2008, the EC175 is due to be certified in 2011, with Eurocopter aiming to sell approximately 800 to 1,000 EC175s over 20 years. The People’s Liberation Army plans to take delivery of the Chinese-built Z-15 variant in 2015-2020 to replace their existing fleet (older Mil Mi-8, Sikorsky S-70, Harbin Z-8 and Harbin Z-9).


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this news actually came out a while ago, in the start of the Zhuhai airshow, but I never really posted it, because I was trying to get my bearings straight on this transaction.
昌河飞机工业(集团)有限责任公司与中航工业国际租赁公司正式签订了《直8F型直升机合作协议》,双方将共同开发直8F型直升机市场,5年内昌飞公司将生产交付30架直8F型直升机,首批3架将于2010年完成交付

 本报景德镇讯近日,记者从昌河飞机工业(集团)有限责任公司获悉,该公司与中航工业国际租赁公司正式签订了《直8F型直升机合作协议》,双方将共同开发直 8F型直升机市场,5年内昌飞公司将生产交付30架直8F型直升机,首批3架将于2010年完成交付。这标志着国产大型直升机开始进入我国的通用航空领域。

  直8F型直升机是由昌飞公司和中国直升机设计研究所共同研制的通用运输型直升机,由国防科工委批准立项研制。该型直升机安装3台普惠加拿大公司生产的 PT6B-67A涡轴发动机,最大起飞重量为1.3万公斤,旋翼系统采用单旋翼带尾桨式构型,起落架为前三点轮式起落架,配备了先进的发动机电子调节控制系统和数字化综合显控航空电子系统,主要用途为客货运输。直8F型直升机可按照昼夜目视飞行规则和仪表飞行规则飞行,满足高温、高寒气候和高原等复杂地区使用要求。

  随着我国经济的快速发展,大中型直升机引起了国内业界的普遍关注,市场需求在不断升温。直8F型直升机是国内该吨位的唯一一型国产直升机,具有非常广阔的市场前景。(余建华 冯建和)
So a couple of things, people freaked out because they saw the 5 year for 30 orders of Z-8F. Now if you read carefully, it says that the first order doesn't get delivered until 2010, so that means 30 orders will be produced in 3 years. In fact, since the first year only has 3 deliveries, that means the remaining 27 orders would have to be delivered in about 2 and half years. Which still sounds slow, but not that bad when you consider that Changhe also has military versions of Z-8 on order. Consider that they produced 15 Z-8s in 2007 (not sure what the order is for this year but the recent assembly line photos indicate about just as many), this would actually increase the overall production of Z-8s in Changhe to well over 20 to probably 30 a year. Z-8F itself is also a really interesting story. We were convinced a while ago that Z-8F was joining PLAN/AF using PW engine. As it turned out, the ones that did join PLA were Z-8K and they used domestic engine (to avoid embargo issues). Z-8F will not have first flight until 2009. So after over 30 years, they finally developed a civilian version of Z-8.
 

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中国将与俄罗斯联合研制重型直升机。将在5至6年内研制成功
球时报1月8日报道 8日上午,中国航空工业集团公司(中航工业)与天津市政府在人民大会堂举行共同组建中航直升机有限责任公司的协议签字仪式,在签字仪式上,中航工业副总经理、直升机公司董事长李方勇在接受环球时报记者采访时透露,中国将与俄罗斯联合研制重型直升机。

据李方勇董事长向环球时报记者介绍,在5·12地震救灾行动中,米-26重型直升机发挥了重大的作用,但由于米-26直升机作为前苏联时代研制的军用直升机,技术已经落后,并且经济性差,如果再重复研制一型这种超大吨位的直升机并不符合市场规律,也不能满足国内和国际市场的需求,所以之前有关中国将引进米-26重型直升机的说法与事实不符。

李方勇董事长告诉环球时报记者,中国已经确定与俄罗斯联合研制新一代重型直升机,新型号与米-26完全绝缘,不但技术水平先进,而且经济性符合市场化的需求。未来新型重型直升机的研发将与直-15直升机一样,采用的国际合作模式,中方与俄方将在研发资金投入及研制工作上各承担50%。据李方勇董事长透露,这型重型直升机最大起飞重量在20到30吨级,将在5至6年内研制成功。

Talks about Russia and China signing the agreement for developing a heavy transport. Eahc side will provide 50% of money and development effort for this project. Sounds like the deal they signed for Z-15.
 

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more on this, I have no clue which helicopters they will be building, but the news is as follows
New Helicopter Plant in China


Hiller Aircraft Manufacturing Company and the Shanxi Xinhaisheng
Trade Company signed an agreement to begin producing civilian

helicopters by the close of 2009 with the goal of maufacturing 200
medium and heavy-lift helicopters a year. This is China's first jointly

funded civilian helicopter production. Soon after the contract was
signed, China Aviation Industry Corporation decided to build a $1.2
billion commercial helicopter plant in the northern port of Tianjin. A

new company will be formed, China Aviation Industry Helicopter
Corporation that will fill sales for that burgeoning market. Sales are
forecasted to reach between 30-40 billion yuan ($4.4-$5.9 billion)
within 10 years.
 

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just more on that civilian helo project between china and russia, I guess just further confirmation that it will really happen.
By John Liu

March 11 (Bloomberg) -- China and Russia plan to jointly
develop a large-sized helicopter, Aviation Industry Corp. of

China Director Zhang Hongbiao said at a briefing in Beijing
today. An agreement may be signed soon, Zhang said.
 
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