Chinese Engine Development

ENTED64

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The thing is that we never really know what is around the corner.
The best response is to accept that we never know what's around the corner, and to be at peace with it.
Yeah this seems to be the only good policy. The thing is PLA is way more opaque than say US. They just don't really talk about long term acquisition/R&D strategy and timelines. This results in us relying on rumors/guesswork and when things like WS-15 or H-20 requirements change happen we don't really find out for a while and are still going on the old timeline which then looks foolish. Of course the US has a lot of delays and such but at least we kind of know what the general goal and proposed timelines are. With PLAAF we just have to accept that we can only take developments as they come and predictions must have a large margin of error.
 

latenlazy

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At this point, I'd say that the safest (and most generally-applicable) rule would be to add another 10-20 years on top of the rumored/anticipated/expected year(s) of XX-engines to be deployed onboard in-service YY-aircrafts.

That means, among which:
1. 2030 - 2035 for WS-15 on the J-20A/AS (alongside J-36 and J-XDS as interim),
2. 2035 - 2040 for WS-19 on the J-35/A, and
3. 2045 - 2050 for ACE/VCE-based WS-XX on the J-36 and J-XDS.

Call it pessimistic or whatever, but it is how it is. Plus saves on dealing with whole lots of disappointments as well.

This is a good rule if you’re trying to be dramatic and protect your own feelings. It’s not really anchored to any real factors though. Not very useful for informed discussion.
 

RoastGooseHKer

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probably turbine yields and components quality review. Engine is not yet reliable to mass produce in hundreds.
I remember J-11Bs had this issue with the WS-10 engines when both first entered service in 2009. That was why the first block of J-11Bs still used AL-31F until WS-10's quality assurance issue was resolved. Correct me if I were wrong.

At the same time, would you say that the WS-10Cs and other variants are already sufficient in generating enough power for J-20A and J-20S? I suppose that if the PLAAF believes that WS-10 derivatives were already sufficient in powering the J-20s, there would be not point using a new unproven engine. Also, could there be any possibility that WS-15 is much more fuel inefficient compared to WS-10 variants; thus, reducing the combat radius of the J-20A despite generating more power and thrust?
 

qwerty3173

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No way. A 5th generation engine like WS-15 should operate at higher combustion temperature and thus be more efficient and higher power.

WS-15 might initially not be available in enough numbers or be unreliable but that is about it.
It's said that the very low bypass ratios of the ws-15 is not optimal for loitering. Supercruising speed and range are greatly increased but ferry ranges are slightly lower compared to ws10 variants.
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
No way. A 5th generation engine like WS-15 should operate at higher combustion temperature and thus be more efficient and higher power.

WS-15 might initially not be available in enough numbers or be unreliable but that is about it.
The TIT is dependent on the materials not engine cycle design. At least in theory you can make a WS-10 with the same TITs. It might still be less performant, but TIT is not an exclusive differentiator.
 

Alfa_Particle

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It's said that the very low bypass ratios of the ws-15 is not optimal for loitering. Supercruising speed and range are greatly increased but ferry ranges are slightly lower compared to ws10 variants.
I think the heavy emphases on drag reduction and expanding fuel volume in the A upgrades actually offset that.
 

cft4201

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It's said that the very low bypass ratios of the ws-15 is not optimal for loitering. Supercruising speed and range are greatly increased but ferry ranges are slightly lower compared to ws10 variants.
Actually, why does WS-15 have such a low bypass ratio?
 
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