Chinese Engine Development

taxiya

Brigadier
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If he has been receiving good news all along, then this definitely might hint that the WS-15 project is going well. However, it is still better to hold our horses since there has been conflicting reports as well.
Agree on the first point.
 

Dfangsaur

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If he has been receiving good news all along, then this definitely might hint that the WS-15 project is going well. However, it is still better to hold our horses since there has been conflicting reports as well.

Personally I would not be surprised if the WS-15 won't make it into service in mid-late 2020s. 2024-2025 seems to be the frequently-quoted IOC date. Of course, I would be pleasantly surprised if it's earlier.
Don't keep the hopes up is the correct. , distrust but verify would be a good approach when it comes to rumours, whether it is of military matters or political matters.
 

Figaro

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If he has been receiving good news all along, then this definitely might hint that the WS-15 project is going well. However, it is still better to hold our horses since there has been conflicting reports as well.

Personally I would not be surprised if the WS-15 won't make it into service in mid-late 2020s. 2024-2025 seems to be the frequently-quoted IOC date. Of course, I would be pleasantly surprised if it's earlier.
What conflicting reports? Are you referring to the SCMP article which stated that a WS-15 prototype exploded back in 2015? The rumors for the WS-15 have been pretty consistent for the last couple of years; the only trouble I've heard of lately was that vibration issue which has been since resolved. I see no reason why the WS-15 cannot receive design certification in the near future ... well, unless you listen to Minnie Chan.
 

Zahid

Junior Member
Even if slow serial production of WS-13x is at a greater financial cost to batch produced RD-93s, it is buying a domestic product over an exported military product which means several things; the money spent on purchasing WS-13x only serves to improve costs over the long term, RD-93 price for China will be more than RD-93 price for RuAF customer so how much cheaper can it realistically be? and finally spending the money on WS-13 even if it is significantly more expensive than Russian alternative at no real quality improvement means at least that money is being used on supporting a domestic military product. If the rumour of using foreign engine is true, it probably means WS-13 does not measure up to that foreign alternative in some important way/s. Perhaps the decision to go down that path (assuming this contradictory rumour is true) was made with the plan of eventually switching to WS-19 or whatever the expected final engine is when it is ready. After all they used Al-31 for J-20s only until recently swtiching to WS-10x.

On a side note, do current JF-17s use WS-13 or RD-93? I recall reading ages ago that production has switched over to using WS-13. If this is true and I haven't misremembered, then surely it would suggest that WS-13 is at least reliable enough to use and the issue is not reliability, rather some parameter of performance?

JF-17 uses RD-93 currently. However, JF-17 Block III is rumored to be planned with a different engine with more thrust. That could mean RD-93 MA or WS-13 (E?).

Even though it is said to be a 'copy' of RD-93, it has a higher by-pass ratio and is expected to have a bit more thrust. f there is any update on WS-13 (and any of its variants) I would very much like to know about it. All I know is that it has been tested on FC-1 for a number of years.
 

Figaro

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Can a native Chinese speaker provide a translation? My Chinese is rudimentary and the machine translation is not much better ... anyway here's an article talking about undergraduate students from Beihang University winning an international competition over aero-engine design. I thought the article was pretty interesting, especially the portion about the CJ-3000 design proposal (CJ-2000 = WS-15 core and CJ-1000 is the civilian turbofan).

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【行业新闻】北航学子设计超音速客机发动机斩获全球冠军
两机动力控制 Yesterday
导读:日前,记者从北京航空航天大学(下简称“北航”)获悉,在刚刚结束的美国航空航天学会2018年国际本科生航空发动机设计大赛中,北航学子斩获全球冠军,并且刷新了这项赛事创办30多年来中国学生获得的最佳成绩。
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据千龙网记者了解,北航能源与动力工程学院的2014级本科生王英军、郭明皓、胡誉,他们在陈敏副教授、李琳教授、陈江教授、唐海龙教授、朱之丽教授的指导下,经过7个月的辛苦准备,提交了《下一代超声速客机动力CJ-3000涡扇发动机概念方案》。


该项赛事评委会对所有参赛方案做了详细评估。在通过函评的10份方案报告中,该项赛事评委会充分肯定了北航学生提交的《下一代超声速客机动力CJ-3000涡扇发动机概念方案》的合理性和先进性,确定其进入全球前三甲。


此后,王英军、郭明皓、胡誉3位北航学子赶赴美国辛辛那提,进行复赛答辩。这3位本科生从整体性能设计、组件设计、全发动机结构设计,对下一代超音速民用涡扇发动机进行了初步的构想和讨论。3位学生的现场答辩得到了评委们的一致认可。经过评委们评审,确定来自北航动力学院的参赛团队获得本次赛事冠军。这一成绩刷新了该国际赛事创办30多年来中国学生获得的最佳成绩。
12.GIF
CJ-3000.GIF
 

badoc

Junior Member
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Can a native Chinese speaker provide a translation? My Chinese is rudimentary and the machine translation is not much better ... anyway here's an article talking about undergraduate students from Beihang University winning an international competition over aero-engine design. I thought the article was pretty interesting, especially the portion about the CJ-3000 design proposal (CJ-2000 = WS-15 core and CJ-1000 is the civilian turbofan).

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【行业新闻】北航学子设计超音速客机发动机斩获全球冠军
两机动力控制 Yesterday
导读:日前,记者从北京航空航天大学(下简称“北航”)获悉,在刚刚结束的美国航空航天学会2018年国际本科生航空发动机设计大赛中,北航学子斩获全球冠军,并且刷新了这项赛事创办30多年来中国学生获得的最佳成绩。
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据千龙网记者了解,北航能源与动力工程学院的2014级本科生王英军、郭明皓、胡誉,他们在陈敏副教授、李琳教授、陈江教授、唐海龙教授、朱之丽教授的指导下,经过7个月的辛苦准备,提交了《下一代超声速客机动力CJ-3000涡扇发动机概念方案》。


该项赛事评委会对所有参赛方案做了详细评估。在通过函评的10份方案报告中,该项赛事评委会充分肯定了北航学生提交的《下一代超声速客机动力CJ-3000涡扇发动机概念方案》的合理性和先进性,确定其进入全球前三甲。


此后,王英军、郭明皓、胡誉3位北航学子赶赴美国辛辛那提,进行复赛答辩。这3位本科生从整体性能设计、组件设计、全发动机结构设计,对下一代超音速民用涡扇发动机进行了初步的构想和讨论。3位学生的现场答辩得到了评委们的一致认可。经过评委们评审,确定来自北航动力学院的参赛团队获得本次赛事冠军。这一成绩刷新了该国际赛事创办30多年来中国学生获得的最佳成绩。
I find translation with Google Translate is quite satisfactory.

[Industry News] Beihang students designed supersonic passenger aircraft engines to win global championships
Two-machine power control
(yesterday)

A few days ago, the reporter learned from Beijing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics (hereinafter referred to as "Northern Airlines") that in the just-concluded American Aerospace Academy 2018 International Undergraduate Aero Engine Design Competition, Beihang students won the global championship and refreshed the event. The best results achieved by Chinese students over the past 30 years.

According to Qianlong.com, the 2014 undergraduate students of Beihang University of Energy and Power Engineering, Wang Yingjun, Guo Mingxi and Hu Yu, under the guidance of Professor Chen Min, Professor Li Lin, Professor Chen Jiang, Professor Tang Hailong and Professor Zhu Zhili, After seven months of hard work, the concept of the next-generation supersonic passenger power CJ-3000 turbofan engine was submitted.

The jury of the competition made a detailed assessment of all the competitions. In the 10 program reports that passed the letter review, the jury of the competition fully affirmed the rationality and advancement of the concept of the next-generation supersonic passenger power CJ-3000 turbofan engine submitted by Beihang students, and determined that it entered the world top three.

Since then, Wang Yingjun, Guo Mingxi, Hu Yu, (these) three Beihang students have rushed to Cincinnati, USA, to conduct a rematch. The three undergraduates have made initial ideas and discussions on the overall performance design, component design, and full engine structural design for the next generation of supersonic civil turbofan engines. The on-site defenses of the three students were unanimously recognized by the judges. After judging by the judges, it was confirmed that the team from the Beihang Power Academy won the championship. This achievement has set a new record for Chinese students who have been in the international competition for more than 30 years.
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