Chinese Engine Development

Semi-Lobster

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yeah, but we have official AVIC1 news article on a lot of this and the Jane's figure are in conflict with that. It has some good things, but also I'm not a believer.

Given how many 'sources' Jane's has found, I believe in reality they just sort of pieced bits of information together and filled the rest in with speculation, like you said, there are chunks of truth in the article but everything else is rather suspect.
 

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found this on royfc

NPO Saturn Resumes D-30KP-2 Engines to China

((Firm order for 55 engines with an option for 33 more. Not further translated..))

not really sure what this is for. One answer is H-6K, but it could also represent spares for existing PLAAF IL-76 or for new IL-76. And of course, then there is also the military transport they are looking to develop. That could use a few for the original prototype.
 

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March 14, 2009: China believes it will be free from dependence on Russia for military jet engines within the next 5-10 years. Currently, China imports two Russian engines, the $3.5 million AL-31 (for the Su-27/30, J-11, J-10) and the $2.5 million RD-93 (a version of the MiG-29s RD-33) for the JF-17 (a F-16 type aircraft developed in cooperation with Pakistan.)

Meanwhile, Chinese engineers have managed to master the manufacturing techniques needed to make a Chinese copy of the Russian AL31F engine. This Chinese copy, the WS10A, part of a program that has also developed the WS-13, to replace the RD-93. China has long copied foreign technology, not always successfully. But in the last decade, China has poured much money into developing a jet engine manufacturing capability. The Chinese encountered many of the same problems as the Russians did when developing their own engine design and construction skills. But China has several advantages. First, they knew of the mistakes the Russians had made, and so were able to avoid many of them. Then there was the fact that China had better access to Western manufacturing technology (both legally and illegally). Finally, China was, unlike the Soviets, able to develop their engine manufacturing capabilities in a market economy. This was much more efficient than the command economy that the Soviets were saddled with for seven decades.

Why is it that so many western sources keep saying that the WS-10A is a copy of AL-31F? I mean honestly ever article like this sounds almost exactly the same 'China is not capable of designing an engine of their own and actively copy Russian designs because thats all they can do.'. The evidience against this is utterly stupifying yet it continues! I'm not one to shirk away from pointing out the Chinese copying Russian technology when they actually DO do so but all of this WS-10A is a copy buisness is getting old very fast.
 

montyp165

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found this on royfc

NPO Saturn Resumes D-30KP-2 Engines to China

((Firm order for 55 engines with an option for 33 more. Not further translated..))

not really sure what this is for. One answer is H-6K, but it could also represent spares for existing PLAAF IL-76 or for new IL-76. And of course, then there is also the military transport they are looking to develop. That could use a few for the original prototype.

Ideally the Il-76 should all be using the AS-90 engines for better range and fuel economy. The D-30s are better for re-engining H-6s.
 

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Why is it that so many western sources keep saying that the WS-10A is a copy of AL-31F? I mean honestly ever article like this sounds almost exactly the same 'China is not capable of designing an engine of their own and actively copy Russian designs because thats all they can do.'. The evidience against this is utterly stupifying yet it continues! I'm not one to shirk away from pointing out the Chinese copying Russian technology when they actually DO do so but all of this WS-10A is a copy buisness is getting old very fast.
i found this websites credibility go down the drain, when it said JF-17/FC-1 a F-16 type aircraft, i laughed so hard. the only thing they share is single engine fighter in light division weight class. Also all this article says basically is that all China can do is copy other nations technology, with unsuccessful results. WS-10A is more of a blend AL-31 and F110 rather then AL-31 alone.
 

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Why is it that so many western sources keep saying that the WS-10A is a copy of AL-31F? I mean honestly ever article like this sounds almost exactly the same 'China is not capable of designing an engine of their own and actively copy Russian designs because thats all they can do.'. The evidience against this is utterly stupifying yet it continues! I'm not one to shirk away from pointing out the Chinese copying Russian technology when they actually DO do so but all of this WS-10A is a copy buisness is getting old very fast.


Sorry to say this.

China is dispised and feared, by the english press. Even Defenceforums are full of China hating. China makes a plane its pulled down and smeared as being a cheap copy and stolen technology. No one relises it takes repeating existing technology to catch up . Even Albert Eistien, had to read and undertand previously written material before he could make his own theories.

Similiarily, Iranians and especially Pakistanis is constantly belittled in the media and international forums. Pakistan is the new whipping boy. One day this will al change. China is making these changes thats what their fear.
 

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Why is it that so many western sources keep saying that the WS-10A is a copy of AL-31F? I mean honestly ever article like this sounds almost exactly the same 'China is not capable of designing an engine of their own and actively copy Russian designs because thats all they can do.'. The evidience against this is utterly stupifying yet it continues! I'm not one to shirk away from pointing out the Chinese copying Russian technology when they actually DO do so but all of this WS-10A is a copy buisness is getting old very fast.

Nothing from Strategy Page is worth quoting; that site is one of the most unreliable and biased on the net IMO.
 

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The only thing good about Strategy Page is that they sell games cheaper than most other places.
 
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