Chinese Engine Development

Blackstone

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You sir need to calm down. Often times, the greatest racists are the ones who believe everyone else around them is somehow prejudice. The other forum members said nothing that was racist. Nobody mentioned race at all. The only person saying "white man vs Chinese" is YOU. YOUR comments are pathetic and racist and not appreciated on this forum. We are talking about China's engine development, not race. Cut your nationalistic nonsense.

Well said, Centrist. These forums are entertaining, informative, and mostly civil, but some need to cool their jets and show they have 家轿.
 

Deino

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Well said, Centrist. These forums are entertaining, informative, and mostly civil, but some need to cool their jets and show they have 家轿.

NO, ... the problem is not that one has onother opinion and can't accept others but the problem are some here - and honestly if I remember Your last post and my reply and Your no-reply - which constantly provoke, which use proven "unreliable" sources as their sole or main source, which make "strange" claims and then do not respond to arguments by others but only claim then the others can't argue or don't have 家轿; by the way since this is an English form I beg You to say it in English or give at least a translation, since Bing-translation says only "Home car", which actually makes no sense or at least as much as Your last post.

As such I please You to change Your attitute or to to take a short break to reconsider Your behavious here in order to keep the quality of this forum. I hope You take this as a warning.

By the way I still hope to get a reasonable reply to my asnwer of Your post in order to discuss.

Deino
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
You are STUPID or pretend to be STUPID ?? Western Engine ?

The ONLY countries with WS-10A class turbo fan engine are USA and Russia + China. UK with their "most advanced engine tech" does not even have a large turbo fan design on paper !!! France only has M-88 and it is a WS-13, F-404 class engine. Where did the "western" part coming from? Oh, just because USA has the best military engine tech, therefor all western countries have it ? It is the White man vs Chinese, right ?

WS-10A has 130KN of thrust compare to 129 KN for the PW-F-100 and 125KN of AL-31FN. Just because WS-10A has less thrust than the F-119 and 117 does not mean that is has less power ! WS-10A is more powerful than: RD-93, WS-13, M-88, EJ-200, F-414, F-404, AL-31F.................. You name it and the list goes on !!!!!

Where did the lesser power coming from ?

Shorter life ? Yes, true but all western engine and Russian engins have short life as well. F-100 has only 500 hour life in the 1970's, AL-31F had only 300 hours when it first introduced in the 1980's.

WS-10A now has around 2000 hours of life is a very big accomplishment.

This is why the Chinese are confident enough to develope the J-20, because they know that now have can build a F-119 class engine the WS-15.

Sure they might struggle a bit for it but at least they can get it DONE !!

You and your pathatic western RACIST can go post your prejedious comments all you want, it AINT gonna slow down China one bit !

Ok kid, settle down, you need to disagree without being disagreeable.

Here's a link to a good read on Chinese engine development-

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As you pointed out, the P&W F100 is old technology, but here's a new toy to play with:

Specifications (F135-PW-100)



Diagram of engine energy for F135 with power output
Data from F135engine.com[21]

General characteristics
Type: Afterburning Turbofan. F-35B: also partially turboshaft
Length: 220 in (5.59 m)
Diameter: 51 in (1.29 m)
Dry weight: 1,701 kg / 3,750 lbs
Components
Compressor: Axial 3 stage low-pressure compressor, 6 stage high-pressure compressor
Combustors: Short, annular combustor
Turbine: Single stage high pressure turbine, two stage low pressure turbine
Performance
Maximum thrust: 43,000 lbf (191.35 kN) max, 28,000 lbf (124.6 kN) intermediate
Specific fuel consumption: 0.886 lb/(hr·lbf) or 25,0 g/kN·s (w/o afterburner)
Thrust-to-weight ratio: 11.467
 

Lion

Senior Member
Ok kid, settle down, you need to disagree without being disagreeable.

Here's a link to a good read on Chinese engine development-

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As you pointed out, the P&W F100 is old technology, but here's a new toy to play with:

Ya, old technology. Let me ask you, how many countries can produce that similiar class of turbofan?
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
As such I please You to change Your attitute or to to take a short break to reconsider Your behavious here in order to keep the quality of this forum. I hope You take this as a warning.


Deino

Let me get this straight, you issue a warning to me for posting opinions from a source you don't like or trust, but remain silent on someone making baseless claims on racism and calling names. Is this the standard of Forum Policing in your book?
 

Deino

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Let me get this straight, you issue a warning to me for posting opinions from a source you don't like or trust, but remain silent on someone making baseless claims on racism and calling names. Is this the standard of Forum Policing in your book?

Still Not able to answer or argue ?
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
What's there to argue? I listed information from a site Feng (whom I believe and respect) say is unreliable, and I accept his opinion.
 

Deino

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What's there to argue? I listed information from a site Feng (whom I believe and respect) say is unreliable, and I accept his opinion.

Here we agree, I respect Feng very much, but You still owe us an answer to that statement since again You try to avoid a discussion by turning arguments, or simply playing "I don't know what You mean" !


If there's money to be made, companies will get into it. The fact the Chinese aren't even trying to compete with even the Russians, let alone Americans and EU means WS-10A engines are still substandard and not ready for prime time.

What a - sorry to say - stupid argument !

Was the US GE F110 or PW F100 ever offered or proposed on the international market to compete with a Russian AL-31 ??? ... and since that was not the case is that proof for being a substandard powerplant ??

Both engines were simply tailor-made for the F-15/16 and as such were only sold in combination with these fighters the same way like the AL-31 was developed for the Flanker version. The fact that the WS-10 equips so far no export-Flanker is simply due to the fact that so far (and most likely never will do so) a Chinese J-11 competed with a Russian Su-27 on the international market. Otherwise the fact that since a few yeras only TH-powered J-11 were rolling off the production line at SAC should tell You all You need ...

Deino
 
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