Chinese Economics Thread

AndrewS

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Agree, but I believe China shouldn't be first when it happens. Wait for it, hear me out. China should get out before it happens to avoid or minimise losses of hard earned graft of the Chinese people. Timing is everything.

China been doing it slowly like moving couple of billion out here and there. But trouble is everything China does is being watch by other investors and governments. They will get the jitters if China sell big. Or move finds into gold or other assets.

I agree that china should move into more liquid assets that can be liquidated quickly. But they are not that many around.

However, i dont think real estate is a good ideal. They are not that liquid, and they can be a deprecating assets especially in times of stress. Also T bills can (I know US has not) be defaulted, given Trump's past records anything can happen.

This is why I said before China is caught in a bind. They are lack of alternatives to move it to, and what is available can be costly as any demand by China will push up prices. Especially when everyone is watching China like a hawk!

Real estate is a bad idea yes.
It is difficult to sell, plus rents go down and are in the local currency.

But remember that China buys Dollars with RMB.
And that the supply of RMB is theoretically only limited by how much China prints.

So any dollar losses (or lack of gains) that China absorbs are just paper losses.

But in the event of a dollar crash, the initial losses suffered by China will be offset by the longer-term economic gains to the RMB.

Yes, it difficult to diversify out of the dollar, but it will probably have to happen at some point.

But it will still be some years or decades in the future.
 

AndrewS

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Agree with most of what you said there wolfie. Except maybe in my opinion the 20% you quoted for the UK. The US can go further simply because, unlike the UK, it's a world reserve currency. This will give it the ability to stand further strain before it snap. And when that happens, it's going to hurt a lot more.

20% is within the bounds of normal currency fluctuations.
Just look at a 10 year graph of the Japanese Yen or British Pound for example.

But a 20% devaluation isn't enough to correct the imbalances we see in terms of the Balance of Payments or Net international Investment Position for the USD.

So yes, it's going to be worse for the USD.
 

SimaQian

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This USD devaluation even at 30 to 40 per cent may not be enough for the OPEC to switch to other currencies for oil. I wonder what could be the trigger point for them to accept other currencies.

But it has been shown those who attempted to sell oil other than usd end up in a ditch like Libya's Gaddafi or Iraq Sadam Hussien. So there is a good chance Saudi needs freedom and democracy once it dumps USD.
 

In4ser

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China could be using its dollar holdings it has towards the $200 Billion phase I trade agreement. This will allow it to exchange the depreciating currency for material goods like barley, beef, and other produce it needs while simultaneously giving the finger to Australia and pushing back Sino-US trade war escalations.
 

Gatekeeper

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But remember that China buys Dollars with RMB.
And that the supply of RMB is theoretically only limited by how much China prints.

Well technically yes. But most of the dollar are not purchased as in open market transaction. Most of these are earned via exporting enterprises receiving payments in dollars and then exchange them for RMB with banks. Which is why China store them in US T bills and other debt instruments. If it decide to release them on the open market in exchange for RMB. It will see the dollar slides and RMB appreciate.

20% is within the bounds of normal currency fluctuations.
Just look at a 10 year graph of the Japanese Yen or British Pound for example.

I never said 20% is not the norm. I was just saying because the dollars' unique privilege position as the world currency will allow it to move further (possibly consuderably) than 20% before it snap. But of course the further it goes before snapping, the more painful is going to be.
 

Gatekeeper

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China could be using its dollar holdings it has towards the $200 Billion phase I trade agreement. This will allow it to exchange the depreciating currency for material goods like barley, beef, and other produce it needs while simultaneously giving the finger to Australia and pushing back Sino-US trade war escalations.

It's not as simple as that. They could but it's really pointless because as soon as they use up the $200b reserve to pay the U.S., China's export enterprises would have earned $300b with US and rest of the world.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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