Chinese Economics Thread

[bebops]

82 million visitors, still trailing Spain

Spain is the first place? or What place is China when it comes to tourism ranking

 

[manqiangrexue]

Spain is the first place? or What place is China when it comes to tourism ranking

For some reason, they don't have data on China so if you just insert it here, we are third, ahead of the US (73M), behind Spain (94M) with France (102M) in the lead. (Data is 2024 so this is actually before the US went batshit crazy.) Don't know what other countries are unlisted and if they are significant.

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I'm not sure what is happening here but they mirror the data from above, fail to add China, but add China to the Asia chart lower in the page. It shows China at 65M in 2024 but Hong Kong was counted separately at 45M so... we're already top over France?

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[tphuang]

For some reason, they don't have data on China so if you just insert it here, we are third, ahead of the US (73M), behind Spain (94M) with France (102M) in the lead. (Data is 2024 so this is actually before the US went batshit crazy.) Don't know what other countries are unlisted and if they are significant.

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I'm not sure what is happening here but they mirror the data from above, fail to add China, but add China to the Asia chart lower in the page. It shows China at 65M in 2024 but Hong Kong was counted separately at 45M so... we're already top over France?

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keep in mind that counting China and Hong Kong separately means that there is a lot of mainland -> HK and HK -> mainland visitors that probably shouldn't be counted if we really want to know how many people are visiting China.

 

[tphuang]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2019391216891097518

China's mechanical engineering industry grew by 8.2% in 2025, leading the way is auto sector with 11.5% growth.

 

[supercat]

Chinese prefer to live in city center, next to the hospital.

Actually, China is striving to build urban "15-minute living zones", so most residents can walk to essential social services within 15 minutes. On the other hand, one of the perks of living in rural China is that you can have an American-style detached house.

Clean energy now accounts for more than a third of China's GDP growth.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2019399988137324679

 

[tamsen_ikard]

keep in mind that counting China and Hong Kong separately means that there is a lot of mainland -> HK and HK -> mainland visitors that probably shouldn't be counted if we really want to know how many people are visiting China.

80% of visitors to China are likely ethnic Chinese diaspora. Out of the rest, the vast majority will be business folks visiting for export import. I would say a very small minority of visitors are actual foreign tourists.

China is not even remotely a popular destination in the west or other regions of the world.

Recent visa free schemes have allowed foreign youtubers to start visiting China. But I doubt typical westerner is thinking about China as their next destination. Hopefully this will change as the youtube content gets more popular.

 

[tphuang]

80% of visitors to China are likely ethnic Chinese diaspora. Out of the rest, the vast majority will be business folks visiting for export import. I would say a very small minority of visitors are actual foreign tourists.

China is not even remotely a popular destination in the west or other regions of the world.

Recent visa free schemes have allowed foreign youtubers to start visiting China. But I doubt typical westerner is thinking about China as their next destination. Hopefully this will change as the youtube content gets more popular.

if you put claim out like that, then you might want to present some data to support this, because it reads like complete nonsense and ignores all the Russians I saw in China or other East Asians.

 

[Rank Amateur]

View attachment 169166China, Hong Kong, and Macau had 7.95 million births in 2025, which was about 200,000 more than the entire core Anglosphere (the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, Ireland, Australia, and New Zealand), the rest of the Germanic linguistic zone (Scandinavia and Central Europe), the rest of developed East Asia (Japan and Three of the Four Asian Tigers, excluding Hong Kong), and Israel.

Almost none of China's births were to foreign born parents, compared to up to 30% for some of these countries, especially in Europe. For example, British whites are now only about 53% of British births, and non-whites are over a third. China's falling birth rate is definitely a crisis that needs a strong and sustained policy response, but China is not going away any time soon.

You started it, so let me have my say. China is competing against the entire Anglosphere + Europeans + rest of East Asia (Japan/Soko) + India + further small states (Vietnam + Philippines + Mongolia) etc.

To top that, these countries are also major immigrant destinations, so their birth numbers should be adjusted with net immigration.

China needs at least double the population of the entire West in my opinion. which is 2 billion people.

No-one, at least not me, is saying that China is going away anytime soon. But we are saying that China needs births, specially since it's a non-immigrant country, to sustain in the competition against like half the world.

I respectfully suggest that both of you read and reflect on this post by @Blitzo.

 

[Rank Amateur]

Dude, that’s on a population of more than 1.4billon people. You can’t compare the two. A good comparison will be looking at birth rates between China and the only other country on earth to have a similar population size to China I.e India. Then we can see how low Chinas population replacement level is falling . China has one of the worse birth rate in earth(even lower than many western countries who have been developed and industrialized for knots a century ) and China is not yet a fully developed country. For me I think that’s the most worrying thing, since countries that have been developed for a while start facing low birth rates much later not during their development stage. China is an mommy mostly due to the infamous One child policy that was implemented for too long, else China won’t be facing this dire issue so early on today(maybe 40 years from now yes). So it will be interesting to see how things will play out, since the current predictions doesn’t look good at all(experts are predicting if current trend holds, Chinas population will half by the end of the century . Which is crazy).

As I wrote above in response to the same post to which you replied, I respectfully suggest that you read and reflect on this post by @Blitzo.

 

[tokenanalyst]

80% of visitors to China are likely ethnic Chinese diaspora. Out of the rest, the vast majority will be business folks visiting for export import. I would say a very small minority of visitors are actual foreign tourists.

China is not even remotely a popular destination in the west or other regions of the world.

Recent visa free schemes have allowed foreign youtubers to start visiting China. But I doubt typical westerner is thinking about China as their next destination. Hopefully this will change as the youtube content gets more popular.

The population of born Mainland Chinese living outside of Mainland China is 11 million according to Wikipedia.
China had 82 million foreign visitors in 2025
If you means ethic Chinese regardless of nationality it would be another thing because there a 60,000,000 of them, as far I understand "Diaspora" means born in China and usually carry political connections.