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NOT me! I would propose to her right than and there.:D;)

Blitizo said "This is not relevant to economics at all... come on guys,"

Yeah, he should go to chnlove.com. There are so many beauties there, he will find himself having a microeconomics crisis of his own. ha ha.
but we are discussing chinese figures.
 
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Western Digital urge China to rein in fast growing semi conductor industry to prevent oversupply.

Western Digital Urges China to Tread Carefully on Chip Ambitions

Western Digital Corp. Chief Executive Steve Milligan warned that China’s burgeoning semiconductor industry may flood global markets if the rapid growth of domestic chipmaking capacity runs unchecked.

The country’s ongoing effort to build a world-class microchip industry requires careful planning and consideration because a global glut -- a persistent concern for a largely commoditized memory sector -- benefited neither companies, the government nor the market, the executive told Bloomberg News.

China’s government is intent on spending more than $100 billion to become a leading supplier of semiconductors in coming years, to compete on an even footing with the likes of Samsung Electronics Co. or Qualcomm Inc. Semiconductors are seen by the political leadership as vital to national security, but the success of that multi-year effort comes down to accessing technology, analysts have said.


“I understand China’s desire to get into the semiconductor and memory business, I respect that. But let’s try to do it in a way that is economically responsible,” Milligan said in the eastern city of Nanjing. “Because if you want to call it ‘destroying’ an industry, it is not good for anybody. You just need to be careful how you layer in the capacity.”

Miligan attended on Thursday the official opening of a 1 billion yuan ($150 million) storage solutions venture with Tsinghua Unigroup Ltd., the sprawling conglomerate that emerged from the prestigious local university of the same name. Called Unis-WDC Storage Co., it’s 51-percent owned by an arm of the Chinese company and 49-percent by Western Digital, and will operate a research and development center in Nanjing as well as a marketing office from Beijing.

The many affiliates of state-backed Tsinghua University -- including Unigroup -- have become the vehicle for a Chinese effort to wean itself off foreign technology. Together they’ve spearheaded a spate of high-profile acquisitions in recent years, despite being forced to drop a proposed $3.8 billion investment in Western Digital after it fell under U.S. security review. Unigroup bought RDA Microelectronics Inc. and Spreadtrum Communications Inc., and came close to a potential $23 billion bid for Micron Technology Inc.

On their part, Western multinationals such as Cisco Systems Inc. or Hewlett-Packard Enterprise Co. have sought local partners break into a massive Chinese information technology market where state agencies and corporations favor local vendors. Those partnerships sometimes involve a transfer of technology, but Milligan said that was not the case with Unigroup.

Closely held Unigroup had sales of 52 billion yuan last year with an after-tax profit of 3.9 billion yuan, according to the company. In July, it merged its memory chip-making arm with a Wuhan-based chipset factory, creating a $2.8 billion domestic giant.

“Our goal is to build a Pacific fleet for China’s information technology industry,” Unigroup Chairman Zhao Weiguo said at the venture’s opening ceremony. “It not only needs a strong defense power to fuel China’s growth, it’s our responsibility to help the country grow high-technology capability.”

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solarz

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It sounds like most of the negative comments came from the Chinese community since she said some thought she was "too ugly to represent the Chinese population". that sounds a lot like what some Chinese would say...

Good for her for her achievement!

That said, I also think she's only above average in looks. It just goes to show that Americans and Chinese have different standards of beauty.
 

Equation

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Western Digital urge China to rein in fast growing semi conductor industry to prevent oversupply.



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“I understand China’s desire to get into the semiconductor and memory business, I respect that. But let’s try to do it in a way that is economically responsible,” Milligan said in the eastern city of Nanjing. “Because if you want to call it ‘destroying’ an industry, it is not good for anybody. You just need to be careful how you layer in the capacity.”

Sound to me like this guy is scare that China can out compete his company in both quality and quantity. Only a scary cat would make this kind of statement in regards to the future of the chip making industry. Sorry but whatever monopoly that company was enjoying is coming to an end.
 

taxiya

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Would Canada be a founder member as well? or already close?

I can see only the US and Japan would still deny it ....
I thought that is impossible after December 31 2015. That is part of the funding procedure.
The 57 Prospective Founding Members can become Founding Members through:
  • Signing the Articles of Agreement in 2015
  • Ratifying the Articles of Agreement in 2015 or 2016
Canada is welcomed but just can't be a founding member when it did NOT found AIIB.
 

taxiya

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because, in my imagination, Xinhua informs only about so called great achievements, and the rest is taboo ... that's how it was in Central Europe when I was a kid, in outlets like

Red Justice
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(I admit from time to time they mentioned something negative, but then people described in such a story would end up in jail)

and, in my imagination, continental China now = Eastern Block in 1980s
And you are not alone in thinking so. Most people in Europe (99% who have crossed my way) would imagine like you, the more east (in Europe) one travels the more prevalent the imagination is. My personal experience.

In reality, I think China in terms state running, is more like the rest east Asian neighbors than Soviet block if you remove the communist façade. Communism is really just a façade yesterday and today, east Asian communist practice is very different from European counter parts.
 

solarz

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And you are not alone in thinking so. Most people in Europe (99% who have crossed my way) would imagine like you, the more east (in Europe) one travels the more prevalent the imagination is. My personal experience.

In reality, I think China in terms state running, is more like the rest east Asian neighbors than Soviet block if you remove the communist façade. Communism is really just a façade yesterday and today, east Asian communist practice is very different from European counter parts.

People hear "communism" and stop at that.

Even from the very beginning, Chinese communism was vastly different from Soviet communism. Where the soviets focused on the worker class, the Chinese Communist Party, led by Mao Zedong, focused on the peasant class. This resulted in some very different social dynamics.

The economy of China today is founded upon the China built by Mao and Zhou in the 60's and 70's. The backbone of the economic progress in the 90's and 2000's was the generation that got sent to the countryside in the 70's. This is a generation with a tremendous work ethic that is even now toiling to support both parents and children.

The CCP itself went under tremendous reforms. The first was the purge of the "Gang of Four" and Deng's decision to initiate market reforms. The second was the June 4th incident, where half the senior leadership was purged, and the party began implementing various measures to ensure that such an incident never happens again.

The end result is a regime that is both authoritarian and responsive. It censors problematic issues where it can, but acts quickly to address those issues if censorship is no longer feasible or sufficient.

Throughout history, the reason governments fail is not because they are authoritarian or democratic. It's because they become out of touch with the people they rule. This is a failing that is possible in either forms of government.
 

taxiya

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People hear "communism" and stop at that.

Even from the very beginning, Chinese communism was vastly different from Soviet communism. Where the soviets focused on the worker class, the Chinese Communist Party, led by Mao Zedong, focused on the peasant class. This resulted in some very different social dynamics.

The economy of China today is founded upon the China built by Mao and Zhou in the 60's and 70's. The backbone of the economic progress in the 90's and 2000's was the generation that got sent to the countryside in the 70's. This is a generation with a tremendous work ethic that is even now toiling to support both parents and children.

The CCP itself went under tremendous reforms. The first was the purge of the "Gang of Four" and Deng's decision to initiate market reforms. The second was the June 4th incident, where half the senior leadership was purged, and the party began implementing various measures to ensure that such an incident never happens again.

The end result is a regime that is both authoritarian and responsive. It censors problematic issues where it can, but acts quickly to address those issues if censorship is no longer feasible or sufficient.

Throughout history, the reason governments fail is not because they are authoritarian or democratic. It's because they become out of touch with the people they rule. This is a failing that is possible in either forms of government.

The first sentence is one of the common problems of misconception and misunderstanding that causes the world full of troubles.

The following highlighted texts are exactly valid points.

Mao is regarded of being "one who read through 24 (dynasty) histories back and forth". So obviously, he is more prepared and (self-)educated by Chinese experience than "Leninist" communist books.
 

solarz

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The first sentence is one of the common problems of misconception and misunderstanding that causes the world full of troubles.

The following highlighted texts are exactly valid points.

Mao is regarded of being "one who read through 24 (dynasty) histories back and forth". So obviously, he is more prepared and (self-)educated by Chinese experience than "Leninist" communist books.

Exactly!

Mao is the reason the communist party emerged victorious in China. Before he came into leadership, the CCP attempted to follow soviet doctrine, to disastrous results. Worker strikes and uprisings in the cities were quickly subjugated and crushed, and hundreds of communist sympathizers, mainly academics, were rounded up and executed.

Mao realized that China and the USSR were two different beasts. The USSR was far more industrialized, where as in China, the bulk of the population was the peasantry. He reformed CCP doctrine to recruit from the countryside rather than the cities. The result was a military force and ideological movement that was far more resilient.
 
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Chinese communism ...
I'm wondering how many of tens of millions of Chinese Communists
(OK a google search:
China Focus: CPC has nearly 89 mln members
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are total hypocrites who just come to mumble several verses from the 1848 Manifesto at a Party meeting to get promotion, raise, etc., and how big is the percentage of believers in the droppings of Marx & Engels?
in the former
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the number of Communistic Party members was ridiculously high (the highest in the Eastern Block): more than ten percent of the entire population! and the number of total hypocrites in between them was huge, eighty (80) percent maybe (they of course quit as soon as they could which was during the first year after the regime has changed; they waited just to be sure "their" system would't come back :)
on certain occasions, even non-members pretended interest, for example they would attend Lenin's Evening (to commemorate the birthday of the Genius) if organized in a pub, because after one hour or so, a free dinner and booze was served to them LOL!
 
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