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Hendrik_2000

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Contrary to the narrative of western press,that China loose it competitiveness in export due to higher wages, She manages to increase her share of world trade to 15% the highest rate ever.
This is because she move to higher value added export. It is proof that she escape so called medium income trap
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China is eating up a larger chunk of the world's shrinking trade pie.

Brushing off rising wages, a shrinking workforce and intensifying competition from lower cost nations from Vietnam to Mexico, China's global export share climbed to 14.6 percent last year from 12.9 percent a year earlier. That's the highest proportion of world exports ever in International Monetary Fund data going back to 1980.

Yet even as its export share climbs globally, manufacturing's slice of China's economy is waning as services and consumption emerge as the new growth drivers. For the global economy, a slide in China's exports this year isn't proving any respite as an even sharper slump in its imports erodes a pillar of demand.

Those trends are likely to be replicated in August data due Thursday. Exports are estimated to fall 4 percent from a year earlier and imports are seen dropping 5.4 percent, leaving a trade surplus of $58.85 billion, according to a survey of economists by Bloomberg News as of late Tuesday.

While China's advantage in low-end manufacturing has been seized upon by Donald Trump's populist campaign for the U.S. presidency, the shift into higher value-added products from robots to computers is also pitting China against developed-market competitors from South Korea to Germany. A weaker yuan risks exacerbating global trade tensions, which became a hot button issue at the G-20 meeting in Hangzhou over cheap steel shipments.

"All the talk we have heard over the last few years about China losing its global competitive advantage is nonsense," said Shane Oliver, head of investment strategy at AMP Capital Investors in Sydney.
"This will all further fuel increasing trade tensions as already evident in the U.K. with the Brexit vote and in the U.S. with the support for Trump's populist protectionist platform."

China is also facing opposition to its global shopping spree and calls from bodies such as the European Union Chamber of Commerce in China for improved market access.

A key driver of China's export share gains is its move toward more sophisticated assembly, especially in electronics, which eliminates the need to source components from a vast supply chain across Asia, said Frederic Neumann, co-head of Asian economic research at HSBC Holdings in Hong Kong. That's hurting companies and economies from Singapore to Thailand, Malaysia, Taiwan and South Korea, said Neumann.


The government is subsidizing higher technology industries including new advanced information technology, robotics, and new energy vehicles under its "Made in China 2025" plan. More is to come as President Xi Jinping's blueprint envisions global competitiveness within a decade in 10 industries from machine tools and robots to advanced railway
equipment and medical devices.

China increasingly is turning into an economic rival as it pushes to produce higher-value exports, said German Chancellor Angela Merkel on a trip to the nation in June. Those stern words from the leader of China's fifth biggest trade partner pale in comparison with the rhetoric from Trump, who has accused China of raping the U.S. in "the greatest theft in the history of the world."

"Political support for open trade and investment is evaporating globally and no one has more to lose than China," said David Loevinger, a former China specialist at the U.S. Treasury who is now an analyst at fund manager TCW Group Inc. in Los Angeles. "China has become the bogey man for opponents of globalization."

At the G-20 meeting in Hangzhou "China took a drubbing behind the scenes over its steel exports, which have flooded global markets and become a symbol of trade imbalances that have fed resentment across nations," said Pauline Loong, managing director at research firm Asia-analytica in Hong Kong. "Protectionism is China's biggest worry."

The latest IMF data for the first quarter of this year shows China's market share edged down in January and February -- notoriously volatile months because of a week-long Lunar New Year holiday -- and bounced back again in March, indicating the nation's manufacturers are set to at least hold on to previous gains. Last year, the U.S. also increased its share while Russia was the biggest decliner among the top 15 exporters as oil prices fell.

But it's not all upside for China. While it's successfully transitioning into medium-end technologies, it has yet to make the leap into high-value-added exports, says Andrew Polk, Beijing-based head of China research at Medley Global Advisors, which advises hedge funds and other institutional investors.

"Maybe they can, but it remains an open question," he said. "The highest value-add is in intangible items like branding. Right now, there is not really a globally branded Chinese company that stands for high quality."

Yet even without its own Coca-Cola, Nike or Apple equivalent on the world stage, China's export juggernaut is winning by default as other major exporters fall behind.

"After having come this far I see no reason why China's march up the value-chain would suddenly stop," said James Laurenceson, deputy director of the Australia-China Relations Institute at the University of Technology in Sydney. "Chinese companies are competing outside their home base against the best in the world, and winning. This points to a hyper-competitive manufacturing sector, not one losing its shine."

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Hendrik_2000

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this is interesting:
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... I would've thought officially there had been no "China's rust belt"

The economic size of the rust belt is insignificant compare to the new industrial center in the south
Anyway the south is always more entrepreneurial than the north it is in their gene. Successive Chinese merchant move to the south due to oppressive nature of the north and low respect accorded to the merchant class.

Hangzhou, Zhejiang, Jiangsu, Fujian and Guangdong are the center of trade and industry in ancient China
The northern rust belt are just artificial product of industrial policy in Mao's china.
The maritime silk road start in Quanzhou and trade with Japan is administer from Fuzhou that is why the Japanese pronunciation of Chinese character is close to Fujian dialect

The south will ride again!
 
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Why would you think that?
because, in my imagination, Xinhua informs only about so called great achievements, and the rest is taboo ... that's how it was in Central Europe when I was a kid, in outlets like

Red Justice
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People's Tribune
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(I admit from time to time they mentioned something negative, but then people described in such a story would end up in jail)

and, in my imagination, continental China now = Eastern Block in 1980s
 

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because, in my imagination, Xinhua informs only about so called great achievements, and the rest is taboo ... that's how it was in Central Europe when I was a kid, in outlets like

Red Justice
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People's Tribune
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(I admit from time to time they mentioned something negative, but then people described in such a story would end up in jail)

and, in my imagination, continental China now = Eastern Block in 1980s

I see, well I think that reflects your own arguably inaccurate and stereotyped opinion about Xinhua and Chinese state media, than what that state media is actually like in reality... not to mention China overall.

To understand state media more, it may be useful to read a greater variety of Chinese state media... you may be surprised.
 
I see, well I think that reflects your own arguably inaccurate and stereotyped opinion about Xinhua and Chinese state media, than what that state media is actually like in reality... not to mention China overall.

To understand state media more, it may be useful to read a greater variety of Chinese state media... you may be surprised.
you're a Big Shrimp :) here, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt: moments ago looked at a Czech business-news-in-English site (personally I don't check economics info at all), now am showing you my screenshot, hope you won't say I cherry-picked :) or something:
pDoAv.jpg

to me, it looks like ... news as they come and go (and most of them are negative); then I moved to Xinhua:

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see the difference? after this exercise, I stand by my post https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/chinese-economics-thread.t3715/page-602#post-414242

(of course, you may say the difference in headlines is because Chinese economy is doing great, and Czech economy isn't, but let me tell you this: you can't trick me, but you can trick yourself! otherwise I like your posts, I read pretty much everything you say in Type 052, Type 054, and Type 056 Threads)

now you may have the last word; I'm not going to respond
 

Blitzo

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you're a Big Shrimp :) here, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt: moments ago looked at a Czech business-news-in-English site (personally I don't check economics info at all), now am showing you my screenshot, hope you won't say I cherry-picked :) or something:
pDoAv.jpg

to me, it looks like ... news as they come and go (and most of them are negative); then I moved to Xinhua:

L1FbR.jpg
see the difference? after this exercise, I stand by my post https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/chinese-economics-thread.t3715/page-602#post-414242

(of course, you may say the difference in headlines is because Chinese economy is doing great, and Czech economy isn't, but let me tell you this: you can't trick me, but you can trick yourself! otherwise I like your posts, I read pretty much everything you say in Type 052, Type 054, and Type 056 Threads)

now you may have the last word; I'm not going to respond

Your original post was suggestive that Chinese state media would not report on anything that would be "positive," which I was saying is not true. If you want to talk about general media control and how various narratives are described then that is another matter.

That is why I said it's a good idea to read a variety of Chinese state media over a long period of time to get a feel for what their operating procedures are, because merely taking a screenshot of the homepage of Xinhua during one moment in one day isn't going to tell you what their limits are.


No one's trying to trick anyone here, but I am suggesting that it's a good idea to read widely to help form opinions on things.
 

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because, in my imagination, Xinhua informs only about so called great achievements, and the rest is taboo ... that's how it was in Central Europe when I was a kid, in outlets like

Red Justice
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(I admit from time to time they mentioned something negative, but then people described in such a story would end up in jail)

and, in my imagination, continental China now = Eastern Block in 1980s
The reality of China is somewhere between CCTV and CNN. Its not as upbeat as CCTV wants to portray it but its also not as downbeat as CNN wants you to believe.

Journalism is like law and politics there is the theory of how it should work and then there is the reality of how it does work. And the difference between the two can be glaring.

To say that China today is like Eastern Europe in the 1980's is wrong. If the Communist countries of Eastern Europe especially the Soviet Union had the dynamism of China's society and economy today then they will still stand today.
 
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